Burros Don't Have a Field After All
Burros parents contacted by Patch on Thursday said the youth football organization told them different things about whether a replacement field was for practice, for games or for both.
If you signed up your children for Mokena Burros football, flag or cheer believing the group had space to play games this season, you were wrong.
A vacant lot intended for a Meijer that never materialized is a field only for practice, not for play, the Burros board president said this week.
On Tuesday, five days after the Burros second and final registration for the 2012 season, board President Joe Lentz and several parents spoke at the Mokena Community Park District board meeting.
The groups have been at loggerheads for months, with the park district refusing to rent Main Park football fields to the Burros without a change in leadership.
During the speech, which Lentz e-mailed to Patch after the meeting, Lentz spoke of the Meijer lot as "a practice facility for 2012 to alleviate scheduling congestion for practices with the new start-up program."
Lentz on Thursday said the Meijer field was always only for practice, never for games. He said press reports saying the field would be used for games were the result of misunderstandings between reporters and the Burros' PR representative.
"That was never the intent," Lentz said on Thursday
However, five Burros parents contacted on Thursday said three different things: Two said the Burros told them the Meijer field was just for practice; two said they were told the field was for games; and one said she was told the field was back-up, in case the group couldn't come to terms with the park district.
All five had already committed their children to the Burros' 2012 season.
Different Parents, Different Stories
Burros parent Gerry Reyna said he was told at the March 8 alumni registration that games would be held at the Meijer lot.
"When I went for signups at the alumni registration, they had a big poster of the land and the layout of that," he said.
Parent Darlene Kruse said she was told the same.
"So far all I have been told is the Burros games are being held at the Route 30 location on Wolf (the rented 15 acres from Meijers)," she said.
Parent Julie Morlan said she was told that the lot would only be used for practice, never for games.
"The email said they would have practices at JCPenney but they weren’t sure where the games would be," Morlan said.
A parent who did not wish to be quoted said the same as Morlan.
Parent Pam Widule said she was told the Meijer lot was a "Plan B" in case the Burros and the park district couldn’t come to terms.
"If the contract's not signed, that's where we will be playing," she said.
Did Reporters Get it Wrong?
Lentz said reports in Patch, the SouthtownStar and the Joliet Herald-News saying games would be held at the field were due to miscommunication between reporters and Burros PR representative Lisa Gunggoll.
"I'm pretty sure her statements were made out of context," Lentz said.
In a March 2 email, Gunggoll responded to Patch's question "To clarify, will the space be used for practice, for games or for both?" by saying "As of now, we believe that this field will fulfill all our needs."
Gunggoll could not be reached by telephone for comment on Thursday.
Lentz said he read several of the articles, but did not correct them because he interpreted them as reporting that the fields would only be used for practice.
"I guess because I had the insight when I read those articles," he said.
Those articles included "After Park District Dispute, Mokena Burros Find New Field" (Mokena Patch), "Burros football team finds new home field" (SouthtownStar) and a Joliet Herald-News editorial that included the line "We're glad that a good solution was found that allows the Burros to play at a newly leased home field."
Main Park or... Main Park
Whatever parents believed when they signed up, they are now committed to the Burros' 2012 season.
Lentz said there is no backup plan if the park district doesn't back down and let the Burros rent fields without changing leadership.
"At this point, I don't know if we've looked any further because I think we can work out our differences," Lentz said.
All five parents contacted for this story said they feel the Burros should be allowed to rent fields at Main Park.
Lentz said he was confident the season will materialize.
"One way or another we will be playing football in August, September and October," he said.
Mad at Dad
6:59 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Of course there is confusion, the Mokena Park District blindsided the Burro's Organization by taking away their field after 49 years a month before registration. The only fingers that should be pointed should be pointed at the Park District Board.
DR- Mokena
7:27 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
The Burros are the blind leading the blind....desperation causes miscommunication.
Pat Patrick
9:16 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Jump in DR and help the kids - get involved. Talk is cheep.
It's me...
8:06 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I don't think the "miscommunication" is the park districts fault. Sounds like the park district is willing to rent the field to the Burros if some people aren't in leadership. Sounds like the park district is trying to hold up standards. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Pat Patrick
8:59 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Can anyone explain EXACTLY what are the demands of the Park District ?
Mad at Dad
9:16 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I'd like to know the demands as well. According to "it's me" it sounds like the PD board has personal issues against the Burros, instead of fair and unbiased issues. If that is the case these appointed and elected officials should be removed. They are denying revenue from the Burro's and their concession sales to prove a point. It's a twisted version of taking their ball (and field) and going home.
Pat Patrick
9:19 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I think the reporters from the Patch should be able to provide us with exact demands of the Park District.
Concerned
9:31 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I agree with Pat and Mad at Dad..I would like to know the demands as well. I would also like to know why the park district would deny young children from playing on the feild in the first place? Sounds like they care more about having the "power" and the upperhand instead of the children in this community.
Mad at Dad
9:36 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
For the record, I don't even have children that play football or cheer, I'm am asking as a citizen of Mokena. My children participate in other park district activities and all of this nonsense has made me very uneasy.
Concerned
9:41 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I don't think the Burros should have to be looking elsewhere for a field anyways. If they live in Mokena why wouldn't they be allowed to play on park district property that their parents' taxdollars pay for? Wrong wrong wrong...shame on you Mokena Park District!
William Caldwell
11:41 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I will second that.
Nick
9:58 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Really Patch? The Mokena Burros not having a field makes front page news blaming the Burros? You are sniffing around the wrong tree, talk to Romanek, Bagdon and Richmond.
Burros Mom
9:58 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
@Paul D., I am a parent of two Burros football players and one cheerleader. I was not able to attend the Park District meeting. You mentioned that several parents and Joe Lentz spoke. Could you please let me know what they said to the board?
Paul Dailing
2:50 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
Sorry about the delay in response. I've been out sick for the last few days. I tried to e-mail you to about this, but the message was bounced back saying the address wasn't valid. Please e-mail me at pauld@patch.com or call at 708-261-8247 and I can give you more details.
Rocky Ditka
10:01 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
The Park District continues to exercise control of who can and cannot use the facilities based on their policies. This recent activity started because a Burros coach crossed the line and became over aggressive with a player. This happened on Park District property and violates their rules. The player's parents objected and reported this to the Park District. The district enforced policy and denied the coach access to park property. Nothing wrong with that. It was the adolescent behavior of both sides afterwards that led to this standoff. Who is going to apologize, where will they apologize, when will it happen? That's pretty much where we're at. Commissioner Richmond, it's not fair that you have a foot in each doorway. If you want to run the JrGriffins then resign from the Park Board. If you want to be on the Park Board then don't be a JrGriffins board member. That impropriety is ridiculous. The Burros can never feel they are being treated fairly as long as that condition exists. No child of a Mokena Park District tax payer should be denied equal use of the fields, no matter which team they play on.
Pat Patrick
11:03 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
The same can be said of Bagdon, especially if he has an inrest in the Jr. Griffins. Lets not forget about George Metanias and his position.
Citizen
7:54 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Why was it ok when Commissioner Richmond sat on the Burros board but not it is "not fair" that he has a "foot in each doorway"? The Burros didn't complain then. Also, is Mr. Metania on the Jr Griffins board or just a football coach. Again, no one complained from the Burros when he was a coach for the Burros.
Rocky Ditka
12:10 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Pat you bring up valid points and got me curious. Checked out both teams websites. It is strange that the JrGriffins site has no mention of the team officials or governing board while the Burros clearly have a link to their list of board members. I did read that Metanias is a coach for the JrGriffins which shouldn't be a mark against him, until I read his JG coaching bio which included information about his position as village trustee. Its great that he is willing to give his time but what is the point of announcing his elected position? I would tend to think that his coaching experience is more than sufficient. Couldn't find anything tying Bagdon directly to either group but the grapevine has revealed he's looking for some apologies, not sure why or when.
Darlene Kruse
12:41 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Can someone please tell me how many kids played tackle and flag last year? I may be way off but I am going to just say 750 to make it sound nice. Those 750 children are now being affected by this weather they know it or not, no matter what league they decided to play in. All the parents pay their taxes and part of it goes to the park district why shouldn't our children ALL have a right to use the park district if we are paying for it? At this point I am sad to be involved with anything the park district is involved in. If Mokena village officials don't get involved in this soon (they may think it's petty but we do pay our taxes and this does involve all those children) I think I will start looking else where to have my children play ALL SPORTS FOR NOW ON! If this town can not help these children play a sport and be able to stay a town then I will go else where and teach my children what is right some where else because this park district and leaders of these 2 leagues are not what I want my children being led by! (They are not showing a TEAM... they are showing a division of town of politics or shall I say who has more power!)
Katie Nigro
12:57 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
I read this at the park distrcit meeting on Tuesday and sent it to the Patch (which apparently didn't want to publish it).
I am here this evening to speak to this board as a parent, a community member and as a taxpaying citizen of Mokena.
I would like to address the fact that the Mokena Park District Board and the Executive Director MR. Romenak have elected to not sign a field usage agreement with the Mokena Burros.
In my opinion, as first and foremost a mother to a child that plays for the Burros and also as a taxpayer, a park district should be doing everything in its power to support the children of this community…All of the children. There is no reason that hundreds of children from Mokena should not be allowed to play and cheer on the main park district field. Because a few adults cannot get along is a ridiculous reason. The egos and the differences need to be set aside. This is not about you and it is not about any other adult, this is about our children.
Katie Nigro
12:59 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
By not signing this agreement you are not hurting the few people on the Burros Board whom you disagree with, you are hurting all of the kids who want play or cheer with the Mokena Burros. You need to take into consideration that the Mokena Burros Youth Organization is not just made up of a select few individuals. These boys and girls should be able to choose the team that they want to play for and know that they are just as important as a child who chooses to play for another organization. These children should not get the short end of the stick because a few adults can’t agree.
The children of Mokena have already had to endure their school district eliminating many programs due to budget cuts. They should not also have to worry about being slighted by the park district when the money and the space are available.
Instead of being the laughing stock of the surrounding communities why don’t we become the example and show our children that people can overcome differences and work out their problems in a civilized manner. At the end of the day we all need to be here for the children and do what best for them. The Mokena Park district and the Mokena Burros are two organizations that have a common goal…to provide programs for the youth in our community.
Katie Nigro
1:00 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Until the park district signs the agreement they do not have the best interest of any child that wants to be a part of the Burros. I urge you to sign the agreement for the children in this Mokena community that want to become or remain a Mokena Burro.
Thank you for your time.
Darlene Kruse
2:09 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
VERY WELL STATED! Katie thank you for being there! I am so sorry I missed it! If this is not resolved by the next meeting I will try my best to be there... I think it's time we start showing up in full force!
Pat Patrick
2:11 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Great job, What was their response.
Metro
4:52 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
This is so sad what has been done to the Burros organization. Adults making it about themselves instead of for the kids. Mokena doesn't need another football program. If these people weren't happy they could have taken their kid to Falcons, Wildcats, New Lenox, Tinley Park, Orland Hills, Orland Park, and the list goes on. Seriously, just go somewhere else if you are not happy instead of destroying a 49 year old program that brought the community together. Shame on you!!!
sam
2:15 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
The mod offered the same contract to the Jr griffins as they did the burros,the difference is that the burros had to have the coaches who committed breaking the code of conduct rules to step down off the board and not being able to coach. That person or people tried to change that in the contract and sent it back crossed off. Mpd is trying to protect your children. So some people need to leave and the burros will get their field back.
Darlene Kruse
2:25 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Ok I am all for protecting our children... but if there was never a contract before... then they shouldn't have a say so in what happened. If the Burros want to keep a coach let them! IF any incidents happen from here on then it can be dealt with (MPD can THEN step in) but they shouldn't be able to tell them who can coach this year. If the parents are ok with the coach then let him coach. If the other parents are ok with him STILL then let him coach! All of these children are going to suffer because of one person? Didn't the parents of the whole team still allow their kids to play under his coaching after the incident that most of us don't know the real truth about? (Leave the he said, she said alone and give the kids their fields to play and let the coach be a coach... if he does something "proven" again... THEN BAN HIM FROM COACHING!)
MokenaJohn
2:59 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
They are not trying to protect our children. They are using their power, strong arm tactics, and positions to promote another team and leave kids who want to play for the burros out in the cold
Katie Nigro
2:54 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
@Pat The Park District had no response at all
sam
4:58 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
If the burros board really want a season they should step down so the kids can play and they would get to play at main park. Sorry but if you spank your own kid it could be considered child abuse. If someone else grabs your kid throws him down to the ground and insults him that's ok?????? Wow I'm glad I'm going to the bulldogs
Rocky Ditka
6:08 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
If a Burros coach violated park district policy then it should be dealt with in what ever fashion has been previously approved. It would be unusual for the park district to adopt such a policy with only one consequence. If the condition calls for this coach to be banned from district property its presumable that a time limit be included. Not sure that a perpetual sentence was imposed and the coach was banned for life. He should accept the punishment and step aside, if that is the sticking point, and let these kids have a place to play and practice. This shouldn't be about -"if he does it again". If he did it, he did it. No one is above the team or organization. Perhaps this individual will learn to keep his hands to himself. If he feels the need for rough physical contact there are plenty of cage match participants ready and waiting to indulge him.
sam
6:39 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Agreed.. But he is not stepping down off the board and he is still coaching. Shame on the burros board....shame on you.
disgusted parent
8:26 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
All I keep reading is the kids should play were they want to play and the park district should be ashamed of themselves. Do the burros share any of this blame in this situation. To all of you people who are saying if the burros want a coach to coach than he should be allowed coach regardless of the rules he broke. Kid should be allowed to play were they want to play. It is time to step up and be a parent I don't care if my child got on his knees and begged me to play in an organization that allows a coach to assault a kid and then elect him to a board position .Would you send your child to a day care center were a child was assaulted just because it has been there for 49 years. Pull your heads out of your rear ends and worry about your child's saftey over your own social circle and start being a parent.
carole
8:32 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
I'm thinking that the contract with the MPD has nothing to do with the coach as there was not a formal complaint and I'm sure that the MPD lawyer has the contract so it applys to all of the organized sports that use the field. It just was not signed. And since we have a new Administrator, he feels there MUST be a contract in place. There is a lot of he said she said and we all know what comes from that. I'm
hoping the contract will be signed or negotiated so the children can continue their program. And legally the Burros or the MPD have no recourse to the coach as there was not a complaint filed that required legal action. That was the parents decision. It would be interesting to see what is the big delay in this contract. It is a contract that is on file(or should be).
DR- Mokena
10:25 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
God bless the Mokena Burros...........they need it.
Pat Patrick
11:20 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
DR we all need Gods blessings. This is about the kids not the Burros. If the park board had an ounce of integrity we would be past this issue.
disgusted parent
12:50 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Every one keeps saying it is not about the burros it is about the children and it is all on the park district. Every other team that plays on park district property has signed the agreement the burros decided to redline the agreement to protect there board members and coaches . That were in violation of the agreement. The only reason they are not play at main park is their fault and their fault alone. From their no one is going to tell us what to do attitude . They lie to you about a field and you still blindly follow these people it is truly unbelievable.
159 Parent
7:21 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
I have a child in football but have not signed for either team. They both stink to high heaven including the Park District. Yes, we know Burros has a coach who was abusive. However there has been no mention of the individual Jr. Grif has individual running a division who was verbally abusive to the kids last year. The egos and self-importance of the people in charge of these the leagues is disgusting. All these troubled coaches should have been removed or quietly resigned when the incidents happened!! Now look at the mess it has created. Very disappointing
Citizen
7:57 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
I think Mr Abuser should just resign. If you don't, it just proves you are there for yourself. You can save the program by just resigning.
carole
9:44 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
If everyone that signed up a child for any sports program was an active part of the program there would be less problems. I have seen issues in the basketball program that are not the greatest either. Maybe that is what the Administrator is striving for.
That is his position and he takes that for a reason. Moms & Dads if you don't want your child to play football,say so. Don't give some lame excuse because as anyone in sports knows there is always coaching issues. I'm not saying there should be abuse at all but you have all been on the baseball field . Do they yell ? Yes they do! When little Johnny misses the game winning line drive because he is kicking an ant...are you telling me the coach says "better luck next time". No, he yells "keep your eye on the ball!" You dads and moms that don't like the coaches get out there and do it yourself. Or at least get yourself outside enough to just toss the ball to the child. This attitude of "I don't like the coaches but no, I won't do it myself" is very damaging to your child. They see right through you!! Oh, and by the way how often do YOU yell at your child? If you don't...maybe you should. Don't sign your child up for sports unless you sign yourself up also!! There are a lot less complaints when you see things first hand and don't let others do what you should be helping with.
sam
9:44 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Or just leave and go to tinley park
sam
9:53 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
@carole. My god are you wrong. In football the boy was roughly thrown down to the ground by his facemask and not just yelled at,it was how and calling that boy a pussy was way out of text. I don't believe that is a excusable act by that coach and board member.
carole
10:23 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
The problem is sam is there was no formal complaint and this has grown way out of proportion. If that is what happened I don't condone that but we are talking about apples and oranges here. There are some that are talking about the coach and there are others that are talking about being able to play in their tax supported fields. Two very different things. Contracts can contain many different things. It may just concern the concession stand etc. that is different than what they did last year. I can't imagine that the MPD lawyer would allow something in this contract that could libel someone that had not formally been accused. How about we all lawyer up and scrap all of the programs. Is that what you want. I wasn't there ...were you? This is called "hear say".
frank glio
10:00 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
this is all garbage....first you have a bunch of parents living their lives through their kids..like big friggin deal if they have no place to play...if they really want to play go to field and play...and for the parents you people take yourselves to serious WITH these sports....BELIEVE ME YOUR KIDS ARE NOT GOING TO BE PROS!!...so keep taking them to speed camps, personalized batting practices,football camps etc...but lets not teach them how to make thing workout and have some class when doing something...so keep making fools of youselves....and another thing....this is also a great example why park district boards and taxes are worthless and unfair in their taxing manner....NOW YOU GOT ME STARTED....my kid plays on the burros or falcons...whow he gained 100 yards and made a lot tackels big friggin DEAL....LET THE KIDS PLAY AND PARENTS SHUT UP!!!! STAY TUNED FOR MORE COMMENTS!!! DR. KNOWIT ALL!!!!
carole
10:42 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Frank...how right you are! Thanks for having the nerve to say it!! Looking forward for more comments from your side...If you are a coach...you know the issues. If you are a nonparticipating parent you create the issues. If you are a participating parent you also know or have witnessed coaches,players, and parents. I do think this is giving the MPD a black eye in the way it was handled. There needs to be some damage control and soon. I am confident that they will be able to come to an agreement of some type. This Administrator is a professional, his main problem is that he has 2 board members with hidden agendas which is not good. They will never vote on any program without thinking how that would effect the JrG. That is never good on a board. I think they will resign knowing this. A professional person on a board knows this is a conflict.
159 Parent
10:16 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Well, Carole, parents who step up and help still have to hold jobs, maintain homes and religious commitments and deal with childrens "issues". This issue can't be easily summed up as "get in there and help". When you sign up for an activity you have to but a bit of faith in the people running it. Well both of the teams have people in charge with their own agenda. Believe me, I know these coaches are not perfect and I don't expect them to be but this level of corruption in a children's sport league is just disgusting. The abuse was not just about a kid "looking at ants". Even if the kid was, does that mean he should be called a MFer or another foul name or pushed around. How would you like to be humilated for your small mistakes or distractions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
carole
11:18 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
159 Parent, Yes,they do...we all do. The ones that coach are not without responsibility. They have jobs and families. They are not independently wealthy and do take time from their family to train your family member. There are parents that don't even attend practice. You never see them. My point is if you don't like what is going on...be part of the change. We don't need the weekly critique. Be part of the solution or don't put your child in any organization that you don't have time for. It is funny how the "chorus of complainers" never have time to help their OWN children! My respect goes to the Dad or Mom that offers their help to strengthen an organization. You might learn something...there are other jobs than coaching if that is not your strong point. The analogy about the ants was to demonstrate that their are other sports that have the same thing...maybe you are not there. Also...be soooo careful quoting what a child was called unless you saw it. You could be a witness. Did you hear with your own ears what the coach called the child...or is it "hear say"? Also yes of course both of these teams have their own agendas but 2 of the Jr. G are elected officials voting on football in the park.
disgusted parent
2:03 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Carole you sound like an ass my child was on that team and he saw what happened and heard what was said so stop defending your husband. The fact still remains this forum is about how the burros lied to the parents about the field that they secured for the up coming season. Stop trying to change the subject. Stop bringing up the park district the jr griffins these people did not force the burros to lie to the parents. The burros need to take responsibility for their own actions period.
carole
2:48 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
disgusted parent,well my husband is not a coach,so let's not blame his wife for what I say. I am not trying to change the subject...it seems as if there is some confusion about what the subject is. Did you go and talk directly to the coach after this event was relayed to you from your son. Did you pull your son out? Did you file a complaint? It is good to know that your son was a witness to this because there are at least 7 variations of the story and what was said. Hmmmm I guess they are all true according to who saw them. If you don't like the Burro's don't have your son/daughter join. It is simple! But...disgusted parent the way you phrased your comment to me you are not surprised by many of the words used. In fact your child is used to it.
Rocky Ditka
2:42 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Bottom line. The roughneck coach needs to step down, at least for one season. What he did was plain wrong. Imagine if the park district had no such policy to deal with such a horrendous attack. And that's what is was, an attack. This wild man would have gone on unscathed. Mr. Tough guy who likes to throws kids around be an adult at least for now. Back off and help these kids to secure the facilities they need. Are you really so selfish? Even if it's to late to rescue the situation by resigning it is still the right thing to do.
Rocky Ditka
2:40 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
The report that I received acknowledged the parent of the molested player filed a complaint with the park district. Mr. Roughneck coach be a man, don't act like the names you called the player that you manhandled, step down and get the conversation opened back up. Give the Burros their best chance to succeed.
carole
3:48 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
If you go back to the stories in the Patch the alleged abuse was never an issue. It was that the contract wasn't signed. As they said it was like all of the other sports teams that did sign. It is like a game of gossip. The abuse gets worse.The namecalling is several different names observed by several different people but no one pulled their child out and according to the Patch a formal complaint was never issued to the Burros. Interesting to me that this did not happen now...it happened last year but no action from the parents that are so fired now. We still haven't heard from the Administrator that that is why the contract isn't signed...have we?
X Burros Guy
9:24 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
I love the blind passion of Burros defenders. But, the truth is the Burros completely screwed up everything. A couple of years ago Matt Hunniford (Burros Coach) forged George Mentanias' name on an insurance document at East. That incident ruined the Burros relationship with East. As a result, East severed it's relationship with the Burros. In addition, Matt Hunniford two years ago threatened to take his team away from the Burros if Jim Stewart (then AD) did not fire George Mentanias as the Varisty Head Coach. Last year, the Burros had two physical altercations. 1. Matt Hunniford pushed a child to the ground and yelled profanity at him. 2. Chip "the choker" Grabski President of the Burros grabbed and choked a child during the Burros Homecoming. Matt Hunniford never apologized and was never reprimanded. Chip "The Choker" Grabski was only suspended for 1 day. This year Mrs. Della Fave; Sal Della Fave (AD, Coach); Mrs Mary Pat Stewart; Jim Stewart (Board Member and former AD) all had shouting matched with several Park District officials in plain sight of children at the Oaks. The Burros have had various opportunities to play Main Park. All they had to do was to sign the original contract. They responded by submitting a redlined copy striking all references to removing Matt Hunniford as a Coach. The MPD then told the Burros to apologize for the recent actions of their Board. Too no avail.
Pat Patrick
10:43 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
Choking a kid or throwing a kid to the ground is never acceptable. But this is no reason to penalize the entire organization. That includes cheerleading and flag football. As for the contract, why shouldent the Burros have a chance to make sure it was in their best intrest. The Park District had a clause stating it could at any time decide who could use it or not, this did not leave the burros in a great position. If you know as much as you seem to then you know that the Park District has never had a great relation ship with the Burros and treated them like a red headed step child.
carole
8:27 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
The plot thickens...did the altercation between the Burros and the MPD occur before the MPD commissioners decided to start their own league???? No yelling match should occur at ALL with elected officials involved. They should not participate and know better! I find it interesting "X Burros Guy" that you write under an alias but list other's exact names. Also your info about "East" ending their relationship with the Burros...where have you been the past 3 years as there have been many games at "East". Not exactly what I call a relationship severed! I guess you have been an "X" for many years. Somehow you don't see that the black eye is on the MPD to allow a shouting match to ensue. An exact reason why those on the MPD that are heading the JrG should resign since they have their hands full and need to spend their entire focus on this team if it is going to work. We should be able to have 2 functioning football leagues.
X Burros Guy
9:35 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
Then the MPD told the Burros to remove their current Board and start over fresh. Instead of putting the children of the organization first they put their egos first. Many of the Parents on this site have vilified the MPD. To the Parents that cry about their taxes giving them carte blanche with the MPD. You're wrong. As a tax payer you have the right to use the parks anytime you chose. But, not a private organization that you happen to be involved with. In addition, there is no way that the Burros will be allowed to play in Mokena at least for this year. All of the time slots for the Mokena Parks have been filled in by other teams and sports. The Burros had their chance(s). They even lied to reporters in order to fill up their rosters. I believe that many folks signed up their kids based on the fact that the Burros stated they had a field. Joe Lenz (Burros President) stated that he read the so called misquotes but never corrected them. Why? I think that all this amounts to fraud. People should be entited to refunds.
Pat Patrick
10:47 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
If all the time slots have been filled it means the Park District never had a genuine intent to work with the Burros. Once again the park district making demands that the Burros remove the current board and start all over shows that the park district never had the genuine intent to resolve this issue. The entire board was not the problem.
Rocky Ditka
10:22 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
There is no justification for pushing, grabbing or physically handling any player. None at all. If X Burros Guy is accurate in his statements then those coaches have to go. It's like yelling fire in a movie theater. If you're not capable of dealing with these young players then you are not qualified to coach them. The rest is academic. This is where the problem started and dealing with it correctly is the only way to heal this wound. Coaches, YOU CAN NOT MANHANDLE THESE KIDS. You blew it, no one else. I'm willing to wager a healthy amount that dealing with these two incidents will go a long way in repairing the damage between the Burros and park district. Until then it just doesn't make any sense to beat on the park district. The ball is still in the Burros hands. If they do the right thing then the community will rally behind them. It's hard to accept that these coaches refuse to take the right steps in support of these kids. Go ahead and ask any of the players why they want to play football. Not any single one of them will answer "because I want to win". The same can't be said of the adults involved.
X Burros Guy
8:45 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Unfortunately Pat, once again you're not clearly informed. After every discussion pertaining to the field usage contract, the Burros we're given time to discuss and sign. The time slots were never allocated prior to the explusion of the Burros. Check for yourself. You also stated that the Burros organization should not be punished for the acts of a few bad apples. The very organization that YOU defend has rallied around those BAD apples instead of removing them. Using you're own argument, knowing that the Burros are facing such dire straights (not having a home after 49 years) how do you not chose the organization over some very bad repeated adult behavior. In addition, what message are you sending the children of the Burros??? Only that very bad behavior should be rewarded amd defended. I applaud the MPD for defending the liabilty of the community.
Pat Patrick
9:16 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
X Burro Guy the contract the Park District gave to the Burros was a joke, It gave the Hitleresk Park ultimate power and offered the Burros a shower. Also 2 bad acts of adult behavior does not make an organization a danger to the community. Also the acts of the two people involved did have sanctions imposed. As for sending a message to the kids, your kids will take on your message. What happened here is long gone in the kids minds. It is the egos of the adults driving this issue. Several adults from the Mokena Park District and the Burros board got into it, big deal, grow up and move on. But NO the Park District is abusing their power and taking it out on ALL THE KIDS by excluding the Burros from the field.
Metro
9:02 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
I've witnessed coaches at all of the local youth football programs. I've seem many coaches get out of control and act in a similiar manner to what the coach on the Burros did yet, it's as if it never happened. In fact, the Falcons allowed a coach to come back after he engaged in much worse behavior...repeatedly. So don't believe that MPD is denying fields to the Burros out of a concern for kids. These kids are just political pawns in a grown up game of "power grab".
X Burros Guy
9:03 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Carole or is that your real name? You state your name and I'll state mine. Btw, do you live in Mokena? Are you aware that the vey organization that you defend has been directed by people that have abandoned their fiduciary responsibilites. How and why did the Burros a couple of years ago spend $40,000 plus on field improvements at Main Park without a contract? That was one of the biggest bone head moves I have ever seen. How did the treasurer "Carole" not ask to have some protections in place for the organization? That "Carole" should be FIRED! Why did the Burros spend over $20,000 on cheer outfits before spending money on OLD football equipment? Yes, we all know that some of that money was raised through donations. But, how you in God's name do you not provide state of the art equipment to the boys that could be potentially diaabled from using old and mismatched football equipment??? BTW Carole, I didn't hear you complain when those very same Mjr Griff guys were on you're Board. Don't be hypocrite.
X Burros Guy
9:11 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Oh I just forgot to answer another of "Carole's" issues pertaining to East. Anybody interested in what actually happened with Matt Hunniford and the FORGING incident.... just call Coach "Z" at East and he'll tell you exactly what happened. Also didn't coach Matt Hunniford and AD Sal Della Fave have another physical and verbal altercation with a Frankfort SQ Wildcats Coach last year in the parking lot. Please stop trying to defend the undefendable!
carole
9:33 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
I guess I expect more from my elected officials. Believe me there are other issues than football. I was pointing out that some of your facts do not ring true,therefore many of your statements are inaccurate and should be taken as that. I feel that it has nothing to do with who did what(so you say) but that the MPD should not be entering into this. It doesn't look good for them. It makes them look desperate for the Jr G. The two gentlemen that started the JrG just did that this year and if they made special allowances for the Burros then no they shouldn't have. We do have a lot of all talk and no action,he said she said.and finger pointing. If you don't want your child to play then don't. There are many other choices. You as a parent make a decision what is best for your child. You don't need to make empty accusations and justify your decision...just move on. But now"X Burros Guy" this is football not "tee ball".
Metro
9:36 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
I'm not defending anybody. If fields were taken away from every football youth program for incidents such as the Burros incident...football would not exist. So stop using that incident as an excuse to take the fields away. People that think an incident such as this has never happened in the 49 years that Burros have been around....I've got some swamp land for sale.
carole
9:36 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Isn't that the truth? Metro
Metro
10:20 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
At least one similiar incident happened on (Falcons) this past year. Why do the Falcons still have a field?
ALREADY TIRED OF FOOTBALL
3:46 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
I THINK EVERYONE IS GETTING OFF THE POINT,THE BURROS LIED ABOUT NOT HAVING A SECURED FIELD FOR GAMES, SO THEY COULD KEEP THE FEW REMAINING PLAYERS THEY HAVE
Outsider
5:31 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
There was no similar incident with the Falcons last year. I know I was there. If anything happened with the Falcons like it did the Burros I wouldn’t be there.
X Burros Guy
4:07 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Fraud! The Burros Lied!
DR- Mokena
11:01 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Stop the comments and Happy Easter to all.
Former burros coach
6:40 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
I was a coach and board member for 10 years, and all I can say is that this is disgusting. Why don't you people leave Mokena, and let it return to the decent, friendly town it used to be? You all make me sick.