no. that was the attitude in 2008.

regardless of what the president says, it's not working.

let the guy who ran a business that turned over 80% of the failing businesses that sought their help take the reins..

and let his VP, a guy who has been studying federal budgets since he was 22 years old, help him out.

Compare and contrast Obama/Biden to Romney/Ryan.

Who do you want steering this ship, that Obama has headed towards an iceberg right now?

Ryan brings seriousness to the ticket. He is a man of vision. He understands the hard choices that need to be made in order to get this country back in order. People who want a continuation of Obama's policies are simply blocking out the truth of how bad things are in this nation. If you care about the future of your children and your grandchildren, there is no choice but Romney and Ryan. What has Obama done: stop the use of fossil fuel, increased the national by over $5 trillion, destroyed race relations. pits the rich against the poor, the black against the white, the Christians against the non-Christians, favors the illegals immigrants over our poor unemployed, does nothing to produce meaningful jobs, desroys our healthcare system for 90% of our people to assure free healthcare for 10% who already have it (no one is denied healthcare in this nation), disregard the Constitution, destroys the military and its morale, hides the truth about Fast and Furious, refuses to demand a budget vote from the Dem Senate, makes up vicious lies about his opponent, ete etc. This election is about survival of this nation. We need serious people like Romney and Ryan to turn things around. Illinois will go to Obama because we are use to the culture of corruption. We are mice and are too meek to stand up to the Democratic machine in our state and in our nation. We must pray that enough states will show in Nov the guts that we lack.

nobody wants to end Medicare for Seniors. How does that EVEN make sense? Listen to yourself. That's just 5th grade playground banter. You are listening to the talking points of the left and NOT doing any of your own homework. Obama is counting on uneducated people like you. That's how they plan to win. Grow up and read somthing serious.

The answer in general, I believe, can only be answered upon the relevance of such said individual and also the circumstance of when the question has been arisen has an equal if not more profuse impact on the answer. There are just too many scenarios to have a precise answer to such a generalization!

My answer in regards to this case is that I do believe the circumstances and the individual will help the Romney campaign. I would also like to add, this is only my opinion! And, I strongly assert that this is my opinion only!

Ryan can help the candidate... I hate to lose role once elected. After that what role does he play... just look at Biden.

Joe, are you implying that Palin hurt McCain? I contend that Palin HELPED McCain... McCain ran a bad campaign and was afraid to bring up many radical associations that Obama had because he did not want to be labelled a 'racist'.

2008 was a 'historic' campaign and all the legacy media were invested in getting a black man elected to office. The combination of Bush fatigue, a failing economy and a black candidate were too much for the GOP to overcome.

I believe that to be a good/great VP you need to instill qualities that Biden has no knowledge of, or if he does, is unable to follow through with any viable actions to support his boss, the POTUS and most importantly the United States constituents; because he lacks the ability to do almost anything in a productive and positive manner. Biden is probably one of the biggest political gaffs in recent years; taking a look back at his career, Biden has never been politically savvy or even shown any intelligence, he almost always steals the words/works of others without giving the prior individual credit; which is plagiarism. Biden lacks the attributes that I would require for him to even be a political “servant”…

Ryan, on the other hand, will be able to be the POTUS’s “personal lobbyist,” per say, on the House/Senate floors and as he has shown in the past, he will also be willing and able to compromise in debate on almost every issue.

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Ryan’s ability to debate and discuss the tough issues in the open will not stop because he is VP, he will still be able to bring forward the facts and include the administration’s beliefs without Obama changing the subject because he doesn’t have enough knowledge on the issue (which is really done so Obama can transform the real issues and construe it into a class warfare of some kind (his only political ability)). Ryan’s work in the House will only extend to his work as VP; while he will not be able to cast a vote but, he will be able to chime in his thoughts almost anytime he desires.

The Legislative Branches have a terrible approval rating because Obama will not support any idea that is not his own. Obama and the current zombielike liberal constituents work on an agenda that is only appeasing to Obama with no regard for the popular opinions. It is absolutely ridiculous how unable the Legislative Branch has been over the last couple of years because of the inability of Obama/Biden to compromise. We need someone to manage, NOT control.

I need to get back to work because I am self-employed and I have to continue to “build” this company MYSELF…. No one’s going to “build” my business for me….

Thanks Mike,

I knew it was recent but I couldnt remember who it was till you said it.

I know, it's Bush's fault.

You too, my friend, have not done your own due diligence (DD) either, have you?

I welcome you to do your own DD, compile the facts, and not rely on what your read and/or hear from a second hand source. Instead of asking me questions about the obvious, research the truth and deny all fallacies before you rely on someone else to supply you the answer.

This negligence, on your part, is exactly what Obama's comments about "you didn't build that" are associated and the debate that has arisen with this statement. No one wants to do their own work anymore, and most everyone wants to take all acclamation for the work someone else has accomplished.

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It is very saddening, that even in 2012 when we have all the sophistication we do today, people are unwilling and almost unable to take on the responsibility of doing their own work. The realities are obvious when you, yourself, can compile the facts and then associate the mutual correlation into your very own thesis without the influence of a partied conception.

Politicization of almost always non irrelevant issues is the common practice of the current administration and they have yet to administer any sort of guidance towards the REAL ISSUES. It is very disturbing how a simple minded person can be so easily construed into believing political fallacies.

It is time for people like yourself to wake up and realize the disconnect between reality and the fictionalized political games.

p.s. - George W. Bush? Isn’t this August 11, 2012 not August 11, 2005? What relevance does George W. Bush have today?

correction - "August 11, 2005" meant to read: "August 11, 2004"

Mokena Voter,

If you’re going to call me a name (which was derived from the people who started this country by fighting the Govt. Taxes) Please don’t use it in a derogatory way, and use your real name!
Also its FOX not Faux if you watched it every once in a while you might learn something!!
Also if I can remember correctly the economy started taking a nose dive right around 06, isn’t that when Pelosi and Reid took over the house and senate?? Hmmm Coincidence???

6400???? Please get informed, as you have stated otherwise, you are beyond obviously still uninformed.

Also, please keep on topic with relevant, reliable data that does not construe the truths. By calling people "Teebaggers" is a ridiculous accusation of people whom you have no reliable knowledge of, other than opinionated statements on basic subject matters. The sickening effect of Obama's ability to create a politically created, falsified, truly nonexistent "class" warfare is very apparent in your case.

I would also have to assume that based on the way you spell "Teebaggers," is in reference to Obama's profuse golfing..... Why had I not thought of that one myself.... I really kind of like your newly coined phrase. Mind if I borrow it? Please, please, please with cherries on top????

Bill, you are doing a great job in carrying the ball for the people who want the truth. Thanks.

Bill Zoetvelt,
I'm not sure how facetious you're being, but I thought I'd explain what it means should you hear that the president accused you of "not building" your business. The "you didn't build that" comment, when not taken out of context, clarifies that while individuals do a lot of hard work and make sacrifices to earn their educations and start the their businesses, none of it would be possible without other people and an infrastructure in place. You didn't build everything you needed to build your business. Parents and the educational system teach us to talk, write, do math, think critically, etc. to enable us to run businesses. The government funds medical research, like vaccinations, surgeries, and drugs, so we can grow up (hopefully) to adulthood. The FDA and the EPA keep our food and water safe. Governments build and maintain roads for us to drive on to get to work and for supplies and products to be delivered. The government funded the research and materials to create the Internet, without which we'd do our work a low more slowly, if at all. Local governments provide police and fire departments to protect us and our businesses. Local taxpayers pay for court systems, the majority of whose resources are used to handle business-to-business lawsuits.

We all use these services to some extent, thus we all should chip in for them. We are, in numerous ways that predate the president, a socialist country.

WOW Denise, That sounds like a bunch of BULL CRAP!!
Ok a couple of thoughts, 1. My taxes (because I am part of the 50% of the people that pay taxes) paid for all that infrastructure that people that don’t want to work and live off the government also use. So tell YOUR president he is welcome for my tax money!!
2. All that garbage you just spewed goes the same for the people that DON'T own a business. They had the same teachers, the same Infrastructure, the same roads, although different parents, They didn’t RISK IT ALL on a dream and a vision for themselves and their families. Building my business was NOT easy but I did it and am damn proud of it! You have to remember an employee loses his or her job due to his or her failure (gets fired) they may receive 99 weeks unemployment . If a business owner loses his or her job due to his or her failure, he or she may lose their house and there is no unemployment!!
A friend of mine and I were talking Saturday and she stated she was disappointed because she had to look for a job because her unemployment ran out, And she had to pay the rent! She had 99 weeks of unemployment and she found a job within a month of losing unemployment. I told her I loved her and we can NEVER discuss that again!! That is the problem with this country!
Sorry about the Rant folks, business owners step up to the SAME plate as everyone else in this country, and have the same opportunities as everyone else. They just take a much bigger risk.

Bill,
You should be proud for striking out and starting a business. My father also started a business back when I was just 10 years old, and after many years of lean times, he was ultimately successful. I'm proud of him, proud to be his daughter, and was always happy to work for him on breaks from school and summers (well, not so much on the days when it was 90-100° in the warehouse, I admit!) While I did not make the choices or the risks, I saw and felt firsthand what goes into starting a business. It takes cojones.

By merely pointing out the fact that this country has created an infrastructure for individuals and businesses to function and prosper, not to mention creating an environment that encourages small businesses, I am not minimizing the hard work and sacrifice you've dedicated to your business. But the fact remains: you didn't build what you need to run a business, like the Internet. Or highways. Or the electrical grid. We ALL helped build them and we all maintain them.

As a business owner and taxpayer, I would think you'd be more upset with the tax code for allowing large corporations--like GE, Verizon, DuPont, Honeywell, Wells-Fargo, and many others, who use so much of our infrastructure--to pay 0% in taxes, rather than being angry with the working poor or those on unemployment, who do pay taxes on their income.

Why did Newt Gingrich call Ryan's plans to end Medicare "right-wing social engineering,"?

Mokena Voter Why did Hilary Clinton say "Shame on you Barack Obama"?

Sure Bill, but you have to get the right answer on this question. Name the last Republican Prez to balance a budget. Hint: Pre- Teebagger Party.
This should be easy Bill, because as we all know you guys are the "Fiscal Conservatives".

Dwight Eisenhower was last Republican President to preside over a balanced budget. He had a balanced budget in 1956 and 1957. Since then, there have been two presidents to preside over balanced budgets, LBJ in 1969 and Clinton in 1998 through 2001.
So tell me this, Since Clinton balanced the budget 4 times of his 8 years WHY IN THE HELL DID’NT YOU VOTE FOR HILARY???? We could have a balanced budget already!!!! Go figure, I got that information form the FOX website!! WOW “education” embrace it,,, don’t fear it!!

Hi Denise, You work for the media (so to speak) tell me all about the 700 Billion plus that NOBOMA took from medicare to pay for NOBOMACARE please.
Thanks in advance

Denise, you obviously are an informed voter. Per the Teebaggers here, if you disagree, you're a Socialist. Speaking of your veteran friend, how does he like that "Socialized" medicine he receives from the VA? Voted the best healthcare in the USA by the Rand Institute. Medicare was second and for self employed people like me who pay $2,000.00 per month from the private sector, I get the worst. This is what Ryan proposes for Seniors!
Bill, you've just confirmed what I knew all along, your Teebagger party is a bunch of phonies, never balanced a budget and never really tries. I commend you for being informed. I voted for Obama over Hillary because he was the best person to help us recover from the Boosh/Cheney disaster. My 401K and the slow but sure increase in home values tell me I voted correctly. I'm assuming you voted for Boosh, TWICE!
Now tell me Bill, what's the difference between Mittens and Boosh?

What kind of rag is this?

Mokena Voter (whoever you are) A couple of things here I am a Veteran (AF 83-87) and my medical is doing just fine thanks. I also am self-employed and I built my business (Did Obama Build yours?) Also Please tell me what year and month it was that Obummer PASSED a budget let alone Balanced one!?!?!?!?! I like to think I am properly informed and I don’t have that date anywhere in my books. And If he did (pass a budget) was it when he owned the senate and the house?? I bet ¾ of the USA wish Hillary was in office over Obama.
Help us recover from Bush, hmmm Oh yea he sure did that, Bush spent 8 Trillion in 8 years Obummer spent 5 Trillion in 3.5 Oh Yea we are sooo close to being recovered I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders, I should go buy another house today!!!
Yes as an INDEPENDENT I voted for Bush twice. As an independent I voted for McCain because Nobody could tell me anything Obama did to qualify him to be the most powerful man in the world.
And Lastly, I am assuming you are meaning Romney and Bush (Sorry I don’t know the Flaming Lib language) The difference is Bush was President when our country was hit with Extremist Muslim terrorists, Romney was in charge of the Olympics when we were hit with a home grown terrorist. We prevailed on both fronts.
What is the difference between both of those men and Obama, both of them were more qualified than the community organizer that is now in office. What else do you want to know??

@Bill Zoetvelt:

I think you're confusing Olympics. Romney headed up the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. It was the 1996 Summer Games in Atlanta where Eric Rudolph was found to be responsible for the Centennial Park bombing. Or are you referring to another case of domestic terrorism that I'm not thinking of?

Joe Vince
Local Editor, Frankfort/Mokena

Bill Zoetvelt,
RE: Medicare
This article from Slate helped me work it all out. I would recommend it if you'd like to see where the proposed money would come from in the Affordable Care Act and Ryan's plan. By the by, you flatter me by saying I work for the media--I'm really an English teacher with a gardening blog!
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/08/paul_ryan_for_vp_his_budget_would_cut_medicare_by_the_same_amount_as_obama_.html

Mike, did you read the plan? Per the LA Times, the Ryan 2010 plan would have reduced Mittens taxes to almost zero while eliminating SS and Medicare, wow that's fair and balanced!

When Ryan unveiled his plan in 2010, it eliminated all taxes on capital gains, interest and dividends. Many wealthy Americans, including Romney, get most — or, in some cases, all — of their income through capital gains and investment returns, so the change would greatly increase the number of rich people paying no taxes.

You are passing off opinion pieces and rants as news articles and creating nothing more than a hyperlocal rag. Leave the blogging to the "bloggers" and report and edit the news as you should. I never get a headache reading the Sunday paper... but I do here.

@NC3:

Are your criticisms aimed at the story or my above comments? When it comes to the former, I don't think anyone is trying to "pass off" opinion pieces as news stories when they're clearly labeled as opinion. Editorials and opinion pieces have been staples of journalism since its inception.

As for my comments, while I'll admit to being a bit preachy, I"m not sure why asking for commenters to try to stick to substantive issues when it comes to a political discussion is such a bad thing. Why do you feel my remarks have crossed a line?

Joe Vince
Local Editor, Frankfort/Mokena

"If we don't hold ourselves to higher standards when it comes to how we publicly talk about the election process and our system of government, then why should we expect the representatives we vote into office to do the same?"

So as you have stated, don't you feel that all comments should be restored because of the violation of our 1st Amendment rights and are of the “higher standard”? Why have you deleted the posts that are favoring of your opinion and that of the left? You’re extremely out of touch with reality by stating such clever comments then deleting the posts you have. It is an injustice to all who have submitted their opinion and also to the common reader who may be looking for insight into the truths.

I do agree, as you put it, “expect representatives we vote into office to do the same” but as this election cycle has come into play, the standards via the attack ads especially from the left have been so far from reality and full of jargon that there is no relevance beyond the fact that they are only blatantly frivolous lies and attacks.

Most importantly, here at our local Patch, I recommend that you restore all posts and allow the reader to decipher between which comments they wish to read and those they don't.

You have created a morally unjust system here on your site by deleting posts of individuals who have spoken as to why they are/are not voting for Obama and most importantly as you put it “Take our poll on the decision and share your thoughts and opinions with other Frankfort and Mokena voters in the comments section.” If you disagree with a reader/commentator don’t ask for opinions at all. You are civilly creating an injustice by deleting the posts here. Absolutely sickening actions on your part. I will be writing and informing Patch HQ of you injustice and I will be including all the posts you deleted as today’s technology allows for a “screen shot” and “copy & paste” options.

Also, Joe, per the sites TOU, "Without limitation, you agree that you will not post or transmit to other users anything that contains Content that: •is defamatory, abusive, obscene, profane or offensive; •is inaccurate, false or misleading in any way." There are numerous posts above that violate this and I hope that if you decide to keep the comments deleted, you delete the ones that especially are defamatory and misleading. Anyone who uses “Teebagger”, and anyone who wrote a wrong statistic would also fall in this category. Only to be fair though.....

@Seriously:

I haven't deleted any comments in this thread, and I'm not sure I know what type of comments you think I deleted. Readers are able to delete their own comments if they wish, and other Patch editors can, as well. However, when an editor deletes a comment, he or she usually leaves a note in the thread explaining why. (Also, the First Amendment doesn't protect comments from being deleted.)

I also think you missed the point of my comment. My complaint was directed at both Romney and Obama supporters who continue to argue about what I consider to be gossip as if it's a public policy issue. Just because I thought everyone should take another look at the content of their discussion and reconsider what they were saying doesn't mean I was going to delete their posts. The way I looked at it: I was acting as a facilitator to raise the level of debate. A bit self-righteous on my part? Yes. But I think we in the media give merit and power to ludicrous topics by simply letting them continue unchallenged. So I challenged. But I didn't delete their opinions (for that matter, I wouldn't even know that comments were deleted, because honestly, I can't keep track of all that and still get my other work done).

Feel free to e-mail me the comments that were deleted, and I'll see if I can find out what happened. You're also welcome to send them to Patch HQ in NYC or my supervisors here.

Joe Vince
Local Editor, Frankfort/Mokena

Joe, I have no reason not to believe that are not telling me the truth. I had thought that because you are the local editor and wrote the column, that you would be the only one to delete the comments. Also, your comments were made directly after a few others had made statements and been commented on. There were numerous comments/opinions by others and myself that were deleted shortly after your comments.

Call it irony or whatever you want but it absolutely infuriated me. I was pissed that many comments were deleted directly after your comments, nothing personal.

My stating of the First Amendment, on your part was also taken wrong. I understand that anyone's statements can be deleted but I was pointing out the fact of your undue discourse of deleting the statements after you had made such great comments about “holding our comments to a higher standard” (like I said, I thought you were the only one who could delete them). I completely thought it was unjust to ask for such regress and then delete posts that held the factuality that they did.

Sorry for the mix up, but whomever deleted the posts did so childishly. I am all about open discussion and debate until someone goes around and deletes people’s work.

@Seriously?

Thanks for explaining. If you see that happen again, don't hesitate to e-mail me (joev@patch.com) about it. Odds are pretty good I'll see that before a comment, and it's easier to reply that way. I always try to answer people and explain my editorial decisions.

Joe Vince
Local Editor, Frankfort/Mokena

@Paul Ruff:

I'm not sure how to decipher your comments. How is my background the same as my "democrat newspaper"? (I assume you're talking about Patch, right?) And what do my comments above have to do with my background? I'm very curious to know what you're driving at.

Joe Vince
Local Editor, Frankfort/Mokena

Hey Joe,
Couple of things first thanks for my correction, I thought Romney was in charge of the Atlanta Olympics.
As for Paul’s Democrat Newspaper comment Let me give you an observation I took from your paper but didn’t comment on and should have. A couple of weeks ago your paper posted a joke about Romney that wasn’t funny (I think it was you but can’t say for sure) and your paper received quite a bit of back lash from the local community and whoever posted the joke was not happy with the backlash and copied approximately 5 or 6 jokes about obama from another paper. The interesting thing about the obama jokes were they were all in the orland paper that nobody from Mokena reads. Accept for a few this town is mostly conservative as shown by the local School board election almost 2 years ago.
As for the Dog comment to Nature Lover that was very important, we were just educating him or her that there was a dog eaten by the current president because it appeared he or she was unaware of this.

Hope that helps, and does not confuse.

@Bill Zoetvelt:

No problem on the Olympic thing. I didn't want people jumping all over that.

As for the Romney joke, I think I know what you're talking about. Tell me if I get any of this wrong: A recent comic had a Romney joke in it, readers were upset by it because Patch doesn't make Obama jokes, and another Patch editor posted Orland Park Patch links to Obama slams that were published. If I've got that right, I think I know where the confusion came from: Even those links were from Orland Park, the Sunday comic runs regionally throughout the area's different Patch sites. So just because the links originated in Orland that doesn't mean those Obama-critical comics didn't appear in Mokena. Does that make sense?

To be clear, my criticism wasn't directed at one side of the dog topic. It was at both, and not because I think these are made-up stories. I just think they're irrelevant as part of the political debate and distract voters because they're salacious and because they're based in fact (I say that because I've heard people exaggerate these stories in the retelling). Again, it was preachy on my part but not meant to knock down one political party over the other.

Joe Vince
Local Editor, Frankfort/Mokena

Hey Joe,

Couple of things as for the Romney article yes that about sums it up, thanks for the clarification, I was unaware that orland stuff can show up in mokena That being said, I have never seen any obama jokes here and I have been a member for 2 years.

In my opinion!! This is going to be the most important election in our country’s history, bigger than the Reagan/Carter Election. That is putting people on edge and very concerned about our future and our children’s future.

The Dog story is very irrelevant to you and me but to some people it may not be. I have heard of people voting for Palin because she was HOT lol and others not voting for her because she was HOT lol. People vote for a candidate for different reasons, and Nature Lover obviously loved dogs and I/we just wanted to even the playing field. Hope you understand
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We survived (8) years of the Boosh/Cheney disaster, is that what you want back?
Please explain which of the Obama policies would be considered Socialism?

Mokena Voter,
LMFAO!! Everyone knows Obama is a socialist except you.ha ha Even Ronald Reagan knows and he's dead. Socialist have been recycling the same playbook in this country for the last 100 years. They just wait a couple of decades so they can suck in a new group of "useful idiots" that are too green or stupid to realize that "socialism only works in two places, heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

@MOKENA VOTER:

I deleted your comment because it crossed the line with the name calling and personal attack.

Also, this comment thread is now being moderated to avoid any other out-of-line comments. Disagreement, discussion and debate are good, but keep it civil.

Joe Vince
Local Editor, Frankfort/Mokena

Mokena Voter, would you be ever so kind as to insightfully inform me, of which policies of Barack Obama are not of socialization? Also, could you please educate me of the Obama policies that have made a positive impact on America and its constituents?

I have done much research and still am unable to conclude with a definitive answer that would support your insinuated claims.

Also, you stated: “We survived (8) years of the Boosh/Cheney disaster, is that what you want back?”; can you please, first, inform me on what relevance “Boosh/Cheney” has on the current issues? Secondly, could you also tell me in response to, “is that what you want back”, what does the current campaign you bash have in common with “Boosh/Cheney” policies? I have been unable to see a common connection between the Romney/Ryan campaign/policies on the current issues, and the relationship of “Boosh/Cheney” policies on the PRIOR issues.

Neither here nor there, the past is the past…time to move forward (beyond hoping and praying for a positive change).

Please refrain from trying to support your claims with irrelevant person/persons and/or unsubstantial issues. Inappropriate and baseless claims really do not help your case of argument.

Thanks in advance.

Joe, so in your world the term "useful idiots" used by Metro is not crossing the line?

Mokena Voter,
If you are not familiar with socialism or the term "useful idiot", I think it could benefit from a simple google search or a history lesson before you vote in the next election. Make no mistake about it...a vote for Barack Obama is a vote for socialism. It is not even up for debate at this point. His record speaks for itself. You should at least know what you are voting for when you pull that lever.

I've seen voters like you interviewed at Teebagger events, I rest my case!

Sorry mom the TPARTY are good at waving the flag and screaming about abortion we have to bring attention to what they are really about and it is crude and disgusting even how they dine ask Deb?
From their beginnings in the NEO Cheney-Rummy days to the present their contempt for Vets who have wounded minds and bodies fighting for lies, Oil and Terror and lying about TAMMY DUCK WORTH and MAX CLEELAND both of whom lost multiple limbs while these scum flag wavers were protesting at abortion clinics they were worried the cannon fodder were going to dry up,they could not get enough PROSELYTIZING deferments like the 5 Mormon missionary kids to to fight in their wars for NETANYAHU or wherever the oil is, the Pres is leaving the POPPY fields and they are shut out again he left the Neo cons 's( the Kosher TPARTY ) scrambling with the withdrawal of Iraq, the Nazi-Muslim Commie Black guy is playing hard ball they only like money-ball.

Butch,
What hard ball is Obama playing? Golf? Letterman, the View, Vegas while the Middle East burns and our amabassador is being sodomized, tortured murdered, dragged through the streets. I sympathize with the daunting task of defending a complete failure of a President but spewing nonsensical drivel will not help anyone forget the latrocity that has been the Obama presidency.

The TPARTY and the traitors in the Senate Coburn, DeMINT,McCONNELL and HOUSE WHIP Cantor along with NEWT they met on inauguration day with the LOBBYIST Grover Nordquist and DICK ARMEE chf lobbyist of the RED ARMY and patron of the TPARTY to pledge nothing in the way of legislation in any form that will help in the reelection of Pres Obama every single point made by this TPARTY ER has the blood oath of treason against America and has contributed to unemployment on down to DOWNGRADING the USA CREDIT, the crash of the banksters where so much worth was lost was in the 41 WH remember him?
All of the other parts of this disinfo is but despite the obstruction and conspiracy against America the president has saved the nation from a depression and created with no congressional support 4 million jobs and saved 12 million in the Auto and related industry if the high speed rail and jobs bill alone were passed another million jobs would have been in the private sector, the TPARTY also seen to it that millions of local and state jobs were lost and the communities depending on them are still being raved by scummy lies from traitors and poisoners the looter class will lose this one.