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Police Say Students are Safe After Gun Threat at L-W Central

According to the sheriff's department, a man called 911 using an untraceable phone at about 11:15 a.m., saying he was going to bring weapons to the school. According to administrators, everyone is safe.

 

Lincoln-Way Central High School was on lockdown Tuesday morning after an unknown caller threatened to bring weapons to school and start shooting.

According to police and Central Principal Steve Provis, students are not in danger.

"Everybody is absolutely safe," Provis said outside the school.

At least eight sheriff's deputy cars surrounded the high school after responding at 11:20 a.m. to an anonymous call that came through the Will County 911 dispatch.

Several deputies stood outside the school with guns. The school was on lockdown for about 40 minutes, and in that time no one was allowed in or out of the building.

By noon, the school was allowing students in and out of the building again. Police searched the entire school and are maintaining a presence throughout the day, sheriff's department spokeswoman Kathy Hoffmeyer said.

District spokeswoman Stacy Holland said officers will be at the entrances of all four Lincoln-Way high schools for the rest of the day. She wasn't sure whether any more precautionary measures would be taken the rest of the week.

As of 3:30 p.m., police were still investigating the origin of the anonymous phone call, sheriff's department spokesman Ken Kaupas said. He said he hopes to know by Wednesday afternoon whether police will be able to track the number. Kaupas added that no guns were found in the school.

Holland said all Central students were inside the building during the lockdown and that classes proceeded as scheduled.

Lincoln-Way posted a news release to its website shortly after 1 p.m. that said officers "assessed the situation and determined there was no immediate threat to students in school."

"We do appreciate the immediate response of the Will County Sheriff's Department and New Lenox Police Department," Supt. Larry Wyllie said in the release.

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This article has been updated to reflect that the anonymous call went to the 911 dispatch, not the school.

Related Topics: Lincoln-Way Central, School Lockdown, Will County Sheriff's Department, and gun threat

alski

12:52 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Big "thanks" to all law enforcement involved for making sure everyone was safe.
Great job!

Susan Mikoff

1:03 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Glad to know all is well there. I was on my way to Walgreen's when I saw all the law enforcement blocking the parking lot entrances. As a mother of a freshman that was a very scary sight. Thanks so much to Will County and New Lenox police departments for keeping our teenagers safe.

Shan

1:08 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

What are people thinking these days? Either the person thinks it is funny to scare people in light of the Ohio (and other) school shootings, or they really want to hurt people. What a shame...

Angela Zopf

1:15 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Thanks to all of the Will County and New Lenox police for taking care of things so quickly, HOWEVER....why is this already on the computer and in the news without any contact from school. So aggravating!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why did we spend so much on the Alert phone messaging system if we aren't going to use it!
Angie Zopf

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Marcy

4:23 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I agree with Angela as a mom of a sophmore, we need to know what is going on. With all the school shooting going on WHY is LWHS going to be the last school to have metal detectors installed. Anyone can walk right in without being stopped, I have done it my self over the last four years at various times of the the day. I would rather have my kids go through a detector then have some idiot bring in a weapon to do as they please.

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Mike White

11:24 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Because, if the school decides to install metal detectors, parents will be back on here complaining about the huge tax increase needed to pay for them & that their kids liberties are being taken away from them.

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Michael Sewall

1:35 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

@Mike, what's misleading or wrong?

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Mike White

2:57 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

The term "lockdown". Both the official school offices and the NLPD deny that the school was put on lockdown, and that classes proceeded as scheduled is evidence of the lack thereof.

It can be said that them denying the lockdown was just a PR move (as I graduated, I wasn't there to know), but that classes proceeded as scheduled is in direct conflict with that statement, as L-W (like other schools and places of business in this day and age) has lockdown procedures that, when implemented, would have prevented classes from proceeding as scheduled.

So, by that, either there was a lockdown or classes proceeded as scheduled. For both to have occurred is impossible.

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Paige

3:16 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

As a student who was actually present today, I can say yes, we were on lockdown. But there are different types of lockdowns at Lincoln-Way. The lockdown that would disrupt classes would be if someone was inside of the school, in which students would be confined to their classroom, and going through that lockdown procedure. This lockdown meant that no one was able to enter or exit the school, more of an outer lockdown.

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Marcy

4:28 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

No Mike I called the school to see if my kid was ok, it was confirmed from the school.

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Matthew Anderson

4:41 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I would assume what is misleading was to whom the call was placed:

Article:
According to the sheriff's department, a man called the school using an untraceable phone at about 11:15 a.m., saying he was going to bring weapons to the school. According to administrators, everyone is safe.

Press Release:
At approximately 11:15 a.m. a call came into the Will County 911 dispatch from a person with a threat against Lincoln-Way Central. The school did not receive a call.

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Michael Sewall

4:47 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Thanks @Matthew Anderson. The sheriff's department originally told me the school got the phone call, and it was later clarified that the 911 dispatch did. I updated the article to reflect that but forgot to update the sub-headline. It's fixed now.

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Mike White

5:19 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Marcy- You're the only one who heard that. Everyone else I've spoken to was told the opposite.

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Mitch Grenier

5:54 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

The school was on a soft lockdown, meaning that the school day progressed as normal and all students were allowed to roam the halls, they just weren't allowed to leave the building. I believe what Mike means is that the term "lockdown" can be misconstrued as if the students were locked in their classrooms, as if they were in known danger.

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Marcy

6:38 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Guess what Mike, I am not the only one.

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Marcy

6:46 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Parents still have not been notified as to what has happened. I guess the vote from the school board last week is more important then the safety of our kids. THANK YOU Lincoln-Way school system.

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Lilly

10:34 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Hey I travel to LWC. No one knew what was going on. All during 4th hour we heard police sirens, but ignored them because LWC is by a fire station. All the travelers exit school and we're like wth, there are 7 Will County cars here. Admin was frantically talking on cell phones and LWWs PPS director stormed out and into a car. I texted my mom on the bus and she replied with the news reports. Honestly, it was all during 4th hour (threat phoned in during 4th hour) and it was supposedly an outside shooter. LW would NOT have let us wait outside for a bus if someone had a gun. NONE OF THE LWs WERE ON LOCKDOWN. LWC had a "lock-in". I was able to go back to my home LW (yes, OUTSIDE!). Central still changed classes at the passing periods. And I agree with Paige. If LW was truly on "lockdown", we would be locked in our classrooms crouched in a corner, silent, and NOT texting/calling our families. No parents would be allowed in the building, and EVERY student would know we were in lockdown.
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Mike White

11:14 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Thank you, Lilly.

Also, to answer your original question, Michael: I didn't mention this earlier, but the headline implies that there was a time in which the students were not safe. There was never a time during any of this, I am sure, that student's safety was in danger from this particular threat.

I think everyone involved (inside the building and out) will tell you that the students were always safe. Or as safe as they are during every other day.

a mom

1:57 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I agree with AZ: should the parents have had a phone call from the alert system first?

Bill L.

2:47 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

parents were NEVER notified, which is WRONG!!!!!!

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Bill L.

2:50 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I talked to Stacy Holland & she seems to think the school did a fine job by just putting a small blurb on thier website & not notifying the parents. They just plain blew it on this one!

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Lilly

10:43 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Anything LW did, parents would complain. If they called, they were wasting time that could be spent ensuring the safety of kids. If they weren't called--well, just look at all these comments.

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Mike White

11:21 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Well said, Lilly. And let's not forget, the people who are charged with making those calls were in more danger than the students.

Lisa

2:51 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Does anybody know if this person has been identified, found, investigation continuing? Is everybody going to be leaving the school safely with this potential threat ongoing?

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Michael Sewall

2:56 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

@Lisa the last I talked to police, they were trying to trace the call. I've got calls out and will be updating the article as soon as I hear back from them. District spokeswoman Stacy Holland said police "believe it was a crank call" but I'm still waiting on a call back from the sheriff's department.

Stacey

2:52 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I was at work when I received a call from my daughter and my mom telling me what had just happened. (My mom took my daughter out of school after hearing of this.) In the break room where I first heard of this, I turned to a woman I work with who has a daughter that also goes to LWC and told her about it. She immediately called the school and asked about the "rumor". The girls at the front desk blew it off as no big deal and said that the kids who wanted to go home and not be in school are the ones who made this into a big deal and got to go home. When there is a threat for my daughter's life and her school is surrounded with cops who have guns drawn it IS a big deal. How dare they treat this as nothing of importance and that it was just blown out of proportion. My kid is not going back until I have some solid confirmation that is just a hoax. You have no problem using the automated system to tell me about a vote that just happened regarding electives for classes but you cant use that system to tell me there has been a threat on my daughter's life? Shame on you LWC secretaries.

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Bill L.

2:54 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I whole-heartedly agree!

Stacey

2:57 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Lisa I just talked to an officer who was there about a 1/2 hr ago and he said they do not know who did this but they are investigating it. He said he can not suggest whats the right thing to do- keep her in school or keep her out of school, so there seems to be some understanding from the police force that this is NOT just another day at LWC. What do you guys plan on doing with your kids tomorrow? Keep them in school or keep them out? I dont know if this could be some kid playing a joke, some nutcase making false threats, or someone planning on something for the near future???? Who's to be so sure its safe in the wake of the recent Ohio school shooting. There was a "trend" of copycat school shootings several years ago- who's to say its not happening again.

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Lisa

3:07 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

My son is there right now. I just talked to him briefly and he said "they already arrested him" and he was going to lifting. If I can verify that (or anybody), I will feel better about him being there. Feeling between a rock and a hard place as to where who is safer at this point (me going there to get him versus him being in the building and not outside) and have other kids coming home from their respective schools right now. I will be keeping a close eye on this over the next however many hours until I have to make a decision. Feeling like it was a prank from the sounds of things, but not sure what is better safe than sorry, panic/fear versus living life, etc. Not even sure it's the right thing to do to let him be there right now.

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Stacey

3:22 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

They were able to trace it and arrest him?! That would be a great relief. I agree with how you feel and I too am leery for the next several hours. Thanks for the updates.

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Lisa

3:26 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Talked to Will County Sheriff who told me to contact the school because "they would have more information than we do"???? Anyhow, did that and spoke to 2 people at LWC who could not verify that there was an arrest.

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Stacey

3:40 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

According to the secretaries who told my friend it wasnt a big deal earlier, they said they didnt even know what was going on until the cops showed up at the school. Id sure hate to rely on them for anything with the way they have handled this. lol... thanks for the updates Lisa.

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Lisa

4:15 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I was told by one of the people I spoke to at LWC that she was unaware of a lock down, but my son and at least 2 other people I know who go to the school said they were and when I talked to the Will County Sheriff's office earlier (around noon), the lady I talked to said that there was an incident happening outside the school but that the building was locked down and nobody could get in or get out. Love the lack of information within the building to each other and/or being lied to. Ridiculous. Frustrating. In this day and age of communication, I can't believe that answers don't come faster and more consistently. I received a call from a friend whose daughter goes to Martino and she already got an automated call about an incident at LWC. I have kids in 122 and 210 and received zip about any of it.

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alski

8:53 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

So you keep them out tomorrow...what about the day after that...what about three weekds from now...?? Do you see what you're saying? You may as well ( and I'm not being sarcastic) but lock yourself in the house for the rest of your life. There are shootings in the workplace. Should we all quit our jobs and stay home?

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Stacey

10:26 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Alski- if my job received a threatening phone call that it would be shot up by some psycho then yes i would stay home. I see what youre saying about something could happen at any time but when there is a detailed threat to a particular school with certain weapons being used and how they were going to kill the kids, then it becomes more than just a random chance .. im stil not sure what I want to do tomorrow. Perhaps if they gave us some answers and some reassurance Id feel better.

JM of NL

2:58 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

The only thing I can think is they didn't want frantic parents bum-rushing the school while they were still investigating. We're all normal here but I do know some over dramatic parents that may not use common sense.

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Stacey

3:03 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

True, however if they did that, then maybe it actually would've helped to calm parents who were driving by and saw all the cops surrounding the school with guns. Talk about parents getting frantic! That's how we found out- my mom's friend drove by and saw it and called my mom and told her what was happening in the parking lot.

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Bill L.

3:19 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

They still needed to notify parents of the occurence after it was over. They failed to utilize the system they have in place for just this type of situation. Whomever made the decision not to notify the parents should be removed from the decision-making responsibility!

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Stacey

3:42 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I agree Bill! Its been almost 4 hours and we still havent received a call from LWC about this. I bet a lot of parents dont even know this took place yet.

Lisa

3:26 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Cannot get any actual verification of any arrests made from Will County Sheriff or LWC at this time.

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Michael Sewall

3:38 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I just spoke to someone at the sheriff's department, and he said police are still trying to track down the origin of the call. He said by mid-day tomorrow he will have a better idea whether it will be possible. He said there definitely were no guns at the school.

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Eugene

4:09 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Michael, great reporting. The emergency center records all incoming calls from the time that they are answered. Will you be able to get that recording through a FOI? It will be nice to see this through so as to present a thorough examination of the whole incident and prevent copy-cat cases. As evidenced with previous school incidents throughout the US there will now be an uptick of awareness to these things as well as an increase in pranks. Well done - great work.

Brandon

5:24 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

@Stacey do not blame LWC secretaries for not sending out an automated call. Their not even close to having that much authority to make that decision.

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Bill L.

5:47 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

The secretary I talked to today was an idiot so Stacey no need to apologize.

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Stacey

10:28 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Thank you so much Bill. I'm glad someone else sees what I see there.

CCW

5:31 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I hope whoever made this call is dumb enough to brag to their friends about it. He will be caught and should be punished severly. My son was in the school when the NLPD had the shootout behind the school a few years back so I know how scary this can be for parents. I'm glad everyone is ok.

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Stacey

5:43 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I hope he brags too, but I did hear it sounded like an adult male and not a kid. then again some of the kids do sound like adults so who knows for sure... It mustve been very scary to have your kid at the school during that shootout. I remember that. Thank God the kids were not hurt during that.

CCW

6:00 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Stacey. I would bet that it is a student. Kids today seem to be in a competion to see who can , I don't know, do the stupidest thing. If this was planned then other people knew. Doing something this stupid should be jail time. I had the wits scared out of me once and I feel for the parents. " Untraceable" phone calls are not as untraceable as people think. The call had to go through a local tower and the numbers are recordable at that source. The school was not able to trace it but the tower sure can. My cop friend told me this so I am betting he will be caught.

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Stacey

10:31 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Thats true BRW- it very well could be a kid and if so, hopefully its a dumb prank and not some kid that was being bullied for the last 10 years and is about to snap. I agree though that there should be severe punishment like jail time and not just a slap on the wrist for something like this. I hope they do catch him. I would feel so much safer having some answers.

thisguy

6:11 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

They're untraceable if the guy bought a throw away cell phone from 7-11 or stole someone else's phone.

thisguy

6:15 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Hinsdale had a similar case back in August... and they brought the FBI in. I am not sure what ever happened.. but the cops said it was a disorderly conduct case. Not much jail time.

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Stacey

10:33 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Wow thisguy- thats exactly what SHOULD happen but sounds like LWC is planning on just sweeping this under the rug.

AnnieO

6:37 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I heard the events today from my daughter who is at college. She saw it on facebook and called me at work. What? I can understand not wanting to cause chaos and panic families and the students but NO information causes a great deal of stress. My daughter was sitting in the cafeteria. She said there were rumors of an armed gunman in the building. In this day and age of social networking, information--and many times--misinformation travels fast. Parents should have been informed.

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Lisa

6:57 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Agree AnnieO! I can't believe that the information from the school has been so inconsistent and that WE had to call THEM to find out what was going on. My son at JJC heard something from a friend there who received a text from his sister at LWC and then called me (a little before noon). Otherwise, not sure when I would have found out.

alski

7:19 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I'm just glad that everything worked out and NOBODY was hurt. All the posts are really a mixed bag. First it's not really fair to blame any of the secretaries at the school. As someone mentioned above they really don't have the authority or probably didn't know themselves if things were ok or not. Imagine you called and somebody tells you one thing and God forbid but it turns out the other way? Second you can't blame authorities or school officials for not getting word to you faster than your daughter can text it to you because she got it from somebody who was there. I'm gonna throw this out there. " How many of you who have children at LWC got a text from them today saying there's things going on at school but don't worry I'm OK"?

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Stacey

10:41 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

alski- youre missing the point- its not the fact that the secretaries did not report any information- youre right- they may not have known everything, but its the way they spoke to us on the phone making light of the situation. If my daughters school has a threat made to it and there are cops surrounding the school with guns and helicopters above, then it IS a big deal -its a huge deal! And for LWC not to send an automated message even still at 10:30pm- is unacceptable!!!! So its not that my daughter sent me info before them- its that we havent heard a peep even yet from any officials at LWC. This wasnt a kid pulling a prank and yanking the fire alarm- it was a school shooting massacre threat with police and guns and something straight out of a movie. If I was unnerved before about a slight possibility of something like this happening in my daughter's school with the "trend" of high school shootings, then the way they handled this sure makes me feel unsafe for sure.

Angela Zopf

7:35 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

alski, I did get a test from my son saying that there was a gun threat. Somehow, he managed to get that info from somebody other than school officials. As I continued to question him on if he was okay or if the school was on lock down, he replied with "I am ok, but the teachers have said nothing." His last text to me before I went to pick him up was, "there are cops everywhere mom, this is crazy" Who knows what was going through the students heads. If the school had it under control, than they should have put at least the students fears at ease
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Angela Zopf

7:38 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

oh, and by the way, there has still been no contact from the school in regards to today's event.

JMC

7:53 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

My child at LWC, and his friends told me that the school didnt make an announcement about it, nor were they aware of the "lock down" until supposedly after it happened. My son said he saw parents coming in and out with their children, which to me is no kind of 'lock down' if people are allowed in and out. I could walk in, saying I'm picking up my kid, but be a nutjob who wants to blow everyo9ne away. You'd think after that threat, there should have been notification to parents ASAP! I understand perhaps not wanting to panic all the students with the details, but come on! It just doesn't seem to me or the kids I've spoken to that this was taken nearly as serious as it should have been. As a parent, I have a right to know if my child is even possibly in danger, a threat being made- I think is worthy of that! Especially in light of the recent shootings in Ohio, &(reports from several other parents from surrounding schools on:) the other weapons found very recently in schools ranging from a nearby Junior High to over to a gun found in a student's locker at JT Central.
I can only hope this was some stupid prank. But with the way kids are now a days, just walking into school and blowing everyone away, I seriously hope the school will be watching closely for the next few... days, weeks, ever! Also, kids don't buy guns at the candy store, so the parents who have weapons at home need to make damn sure they are locked up and NOT accessible in any way to their children!

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alski

8:57 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Exactly. That's why and it was news the other day. A six year old walks into school with a loaded gun. Yet people read that and say we need tougher gun laws. No what we need there is responsible parents.

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Stacey

10:47 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Very well said JMC. Are there any parents out there who are planning to complain to the school about how this was handled? Cuz I know I sure am.

alski

8:20 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

My daughter texted me at exactly 12:17pm saying " Dad. centrals on lockdown. I heard there's police surrounding every exit have you read anything online about what's going on"? and she's a student at LWW and that was sent to her from a friend at Central.

alski

8:28 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

To Angela first of all I am glad that your child and all the other students are safe. In light of the weekends events anything less right now would really be devastating for even more parents. I'm sure the teachers didn't say anything because they probably didn't know anymore than the students. Understand that at a time like that it's best left to the authorities to handle. The reason their top priority wasn't to start alarming parents was because I'm certain the last thing they needed on campus at the time was 600 moms and dads demanding they get into that school to find their children.We all know and I'm right there with you that there is no bond stronger than that between a parent and their child.

alski

8:33 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Also the job of authorities is to evaluate the situation. If a person called saying they had a
"lead" as far as someone looking to cause harm. Police would certainly have a little more information along with that. If an individual calls police and announces they are going to do it....it's probably a hoax. To date all of these tragic incidents came without warning. However with them suspecting that. They still have to respond and they did.

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Stacey

10:50 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

alski, actually several school shooting came with some sort of warning ahead of time which not taken seriously- via emails,myspaces, facebooks, youtube, verbal threats... etc. So we cant say that things like this happened in the past without warning. Its always after the fact that the news reports "We found out he had indeed told someone he was going to do this but no one believed him because yadda yadda yadda..."

alski

8:43 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

One final note.....I enjoy reading the Patch and replying to the posts. However it starts to get frustrating when every time you read a story here that in some way deals with law enforcement people are bashing the police. It wouldn't surprise at all if the youth of our community had absolutely no respect for them because it's obvious that's probably the message they get at home. Yet they are always there to take your reports of your cellphones and wallets and cash being stolen from your "unlocked" cars while they are parked on the street.I'm glad that one of the authors above mentioned the "shootout" a few years back at Central. When police pulled over that car for a simple violation and the driver opened fire without warning. Gunfire was exchanged two of our first responders were wounded. Central had after hours activities. Not one student came into harms way.

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Lisa

10:19 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I don't see where anybody was bashing the police? I think the overall frustration was the lack of information/lack of consistent information. I was a bit frustrated when I contacted the Will County Sheriff and asked if there was an arrest made (as that was info my son was given and he relayed to me while he was still in school) and they told me to contact the school because they would know more??? That made no sense to me. How could it be possible that if an arrest was made that the school would know more than WCS? I also can't believe that the "higher ups" at LWC didn't know what was going on. They may have chosen to not say anything to the staff, which would be why the secretaries were unaware of what was going on? There were people in authority who could have notified parents somehow at some point between then and now (after 10 p.m.) to address the situation. As a parent of one of the kids there when I heard originally from the Will County Sheriff's office that there was an incident happening outside, but that the building was locked down, I felt like my son was much safer in school, and that I was safer not being a part of whatever was going on outside. I am sure there would be parents in a panic, but I am also sure that if LWC would have communicated the potential danger in the parking lot, the school was locked NOBODY in or out, possibly sent out the autocalls or a msg on the main line regarding the situation, it would have been better & majority happier. IMHO

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Stacey

10:52 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

alski I do not recall one post bashing the police for anything they did. In fact there was nothing but praise to the quick responses. It was all complaints on how LWC handled this.

Responder

9:18 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Being a person standing in an office when calls were bombarding the secretaries, they were doing the best they could. I saw someone come in and tell them there was not a lockdown and classes were running as they normally would. It didn't seem like they were making light of anything, maybe just trying to kindly reassure many different types of callers that their kids were ok. From what I could make out, many students were using phones and saying all sorts or things. These ladies were probably trying to make sense of it all because of what callers were saying to them versus what the school was telling them was true. I wasn't stuck there that long but I could clearly see what was happening. The secretaries are not the idiots, perhaps other staff could be considered so!

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Lisa

10:22 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I don't think a lot of the staff knew what was going on. As I mentioned in the comment above, I am sure that there were admins at LWC who were aware and could have chosen to figure out something other than the practically nothing communication that happened leaving many parents and students to wonder what the heck was going on. Hope LWC has something appeasing to say about their choices because a lot of feathers are ruffled in this situation.

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Lilly

10:41 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

First--hindsight is 20/20. Second--what do you want the school to say? It was a threat. Not an action. Do you not think the administrators were stressed and worried? Contacting thousands of parents is not their main priority. Safety is. You want your kids safe, right? Well then let the school utilize their action plan before you get your panties in a bunch. Should you have been notified after the ordeal was over, yes. But LW has a press release online. They did notify anyone who cared to look. Honestly, the parents should not know before the kids. Look at any other school lockdown. Parents are notified after 2 hours. This wasn't even a lockdown. It was all through Will County 911. Just know that cops were there, stayed there, and the school had prepared for this emergency. Everything turned out ok, no one's hurt or injured. I count that as a win in my book.

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Stacey

10:59 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

All that could be true but it was still the secretaries who made the comments on the phone that the kids who went home just wanted to get out of school for the day. Really??? Totally unprofessional in my opinion.

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Lisa

11:33 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Lilly, Definitely would not want immediate communication if there was a safety issue and other things that were needing to be handled to take care of that, but the blurb on the LW210 website wasn't even close to being sufficient when, as Stacey pointed out, we get all kinds of other automated calls. They don't make hundreds or thousands of calls to make those happen. They record 1 message and it goes out to the registered families to receive them. I have no doubt that everybody is thankful everybody is ok and safe. I guess my question and concern is why LWC made the decisions they made and what could be done differently to pacify more parents for the future should, God forbid, this happen again.

Stacey

10:58 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Their lack of information even at this time of night is what makes me nervous. Why arent they sending a message to us to help ease our fears? They called us about a stupid vote that I could give two craps about but they cant call to inform me of a serious situation at my child's school???? I dont know if we will ever get the answers we are looking for Lisa. And that's unfortunate.

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Lisa

11:24 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Totally agree with you Stacey. I think there are a lot of misunderstandings in these comments, as well as with just about everybody involved. Think you and I are on the same page.

Donny

11:20 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

For those that don't know-in crisis situations like this the police department will often ask a school to specifically NOT send out communications asap because of the possibility of escalation and interference in their work. You want to have beef with how the secretaries treated you? That's fine, I understand that. But LW followed the crisis protocol to a T. It wasn't an actual lockdown-they are not required to send out any special phone calls or emails. They posted a press release as soon as they could-after the police cleared the issue and advised everything was safe. My two kids at Central are safe, I thank LW and will county police for doing their job. There's nothing else to communicate: police are looking into the call (not LW's job and not their job to report any further as it is a legal matter).

Let's all take a step back and face some reality here. Anytime something like this happens, of course there is going to be mass confusion. Even if the school immediately sent out a phone message, kids would still be hearing things from other kids, sending different texts out-and guess what-parents would hear that phone message from the school and the different rumors going around, and there would still be confusion (phone message says it's fine, but then you get a text from a child that it's not, or hear a different story from another parent). Texts fly, facebook posts update instantly, kids talk. We can't get mad about "who said this, why didn't this person know that"

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Lisa

11:34 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Donny, I agree with the majority of what you say. I am thankful for everybody who did their jobs and that everybody is ok. I do think that at this point more could be said, and even earlier in the late afternoon/early evening more could be said. Yes, it's a legal matter and I am sure an ongoing investigation, so information might not be forthcoming as far as details go, but I do believe that the information/communication on the school/district's parts could have definitely been handled better. I was a part of a rumor of what kids were saying as my son told me that he was told "the guy was arrested" and that turned out to be false information, so I do get that. Actually I was part of 2 rumors in that regard. My oldest was at JJC when he talked to a friend who received a text from his sister who was at LWC stating that somebody was shooting up the school. Why couldn't more facts and information been posted at some point is my question. (Not for you, but just in general.)

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Mike White

11:55 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Lisa- More information was posted at some point. Go to LW210.org. It's right there. There was a phone call. Police responded. Nothing happened. Students were unaffected.

Mike White

11:24 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Anyone bashing Stacy Holland or Larry Wyllie or the secretaries: District offices are housed inside LWC. The secretaries are not behind bullet proof glass. There are also well planned and well practiced procedures to follow in case of an active shooter on campus. Students are briefed on those that concern them, and are well aware of them. For the sake of safety, I'm not going to get into them, but I will say that your kids were safer than the people you're insulting for not handling this properly.

Cody

11:33 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I gotta say with Wyllie running things, I would feel pretty safe. LW knows what they are doing. I trust all those that work there.

Responder

6:32 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Anyone reading these comments, have you ever considered for a minute that some of what you are reading is inaccurate? Everyone pretty much knew, including secretaries, that there was a threat of some sort. From what I saw, it appeared the public had all kinds of information and the staff had very little. Maybe there were some individuals that needed the comments to be a little less serious in order to get the point across that the kids were fine. Sometimes people don't stop to listen to everything being said. I heard them specifically saying during one call they were hearing all sorts of rumors from the callers and yes they did hear, blah, blah. and to please check the website shortly for accurate statements. Not all people are going to feel the same about how this was handled or hear all the same words over the phone. Emotions were accelerated and some of these folks were in the crossfire. In my time witnessing some comments made to callers, I did hear them saying they were being told all sorts of things and to please consider that rumors are going to get out of hand quickly because of Facebook & cell phones. Let them all do their job and put yourself in their seat during something like this. Being told to stay in the building, allowed me to see that students were fine and were walking down hallways in a very normal manner. I do not have a student there anymore but felt good about the safety of all involved.

Angela Zopf

7:04 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

I am done with this bs after this. Plain and simple, my child was pretty freaked out by all the police in and out of building. If Central had it all under control than at least explain that to the kids and put them at ease. As a parent, the minute there were drawn guns outside the scholol and helicopters above it became my business. I have ALL the facts as I have talked with both Whyllie and Princial Probst.

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Stacey

9:28 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

I support you AZ because I totally agree. There seems to more of us who feel the same way than there are people who feel otherwise so dont get frustrated- we are behind you.

Angela Zopf

7:14 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Principal Probst was very respectful to me and understood exactly where I was coming from. My point was simple, it may have been better for everybody to keep things as normal as possible on the inside, However, any parent driving past the school or at any surrounding stores around 11:20 saw a sight that no parent ever wants to see. At that point, I feel parents and students should have been notified. Agree with me or disagree, I really do not care. I went straight to the source and voiced my concerns and got the answers I was looking for.

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Angela Zopf

7:21 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

I apologize for the incorrect name on Principal Provis.

Angela Zopf

8:39 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

one last note, for those of you wondering, there will be Will County Police @ the school today as well

anewlenox

8:44 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

The parents should have been notified!!! I fill out numerous forms at the beginning of the year with the same information...all included several phone number contacts...what are they used for?!?!?!?

anewlenox

8:48 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

In addition, this is "my" child...not yours. If my child is in any danger (prank or not) I have "a right" to know!

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Mike White

7:41 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Your child wasn't in any danger. The staff of the school and district who everyone seems to want to insult here were in danger, had there actually been danger to be in. Staff. Not kids. Staff.

Marcy

8:52 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Mike White, you said a phone call was made, to who I have not received any information from the school what so ever. The only info received right or wrong has been through the computer and a very short call I made to the school. Not all parents have access to a computer and should not have to rely on that to get information regarding the safety of their kids at school. If you are talking about an automated call, it seems very odd it did not go to all the parents. It worked for the school board vote last week and for 3:00 am closings. The school system needs to put a stop to this and answer to the parents. LWHS is way over due to install metal detectors, anyone can walk in with anything, I bet they do and will. I have walked into the school at various times and no one has stopped me over the last 5 years.

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Denise

9:46 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

You can no longer "just walk in" They have made it impossible to do that at LW Central. You now have to go through the SSO office as you come in.

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stacey

4:38 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Denise- is the SSO office the office on the right when you first come in the front door? Cuz if so, then they couldnt care less. Theyre too busy talking to each other to pay any attention. In fact,they let my niece and daughter leave with my sister in law yesterday after it all happened, just to be on the safe side- but my sister in law was never ID'd or verified to be a parent. Not very safe under the circumstances. Every other school my daughter has been in was very professional and safe with locks to be buzzed in...- these girls are the rudest and most UNprofessional and yes you can pretty much just come and go as you please. . JMO

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Mike White

7:39 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Stacey- Maybe that's because this is high school now. Kids can check themselves out and in, drive themselves, and therefore are smart enough to know if they know the person coming to pick them up.

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Denise

9:40 am on Friday, March 9, 2012

Stacey...yep, that's the one. It's too bad they don't pay attention. I know these kids are older, but they still need to take precautions.

Mike...I know they are allowed to check themselves in, BUT they are not allowed to check out UNLESS they get verbal permission from a parent. My daughter is at LW West and whenever the nurse called me at work because she was sick I had to give verbal permission for her to driver herself home, THEN she had to call the nurse when she got home. Not saying a student couldn't lie when they got to their destination and tell the nurse they were home, I'm sure that has happened. But they do call the parent before they allow the student to leave

Stacey

9:25 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

You guys keep talking about "rumors" and how we were hearing some miscommunications and etc. If they sent out a call there would be no rumors and miscommunications. Period the end. As for LWC's little "post it" on their website- did they really think that's sufficient? I bet 75% of the parents don't even know that's there for them to read, which basically says "There was a call made by an unknown person who cant be traced who identified himself as having weapons to come to LWC and kill your child. We had the school on lockdown and since that person never came through with their threat, your child s "safe"." Yes thats a little dramatic but it is the bottom line. Several years ago when my daughter went to Spencer, there was an incident where a man supposedly was driving around in a white vehicle and may or may not have tried to steal a child off the street. It was a rumor that spread and they werent sure of the facts or how true it was but they quickly sent out an automated call regarding the situation to alert us parents that it MAY have happened. That's having respect to us as parents to let us just know what was going on,whether they had all the facts or not. That's ALL we are asking for from LWC- some RESPECT.

Reality Bytes!

9:29 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

My son told me after school was let out that they were unaware anything was going on until they heard several teachers saying "we have a problem". He also witnessed a police officer with gun drawn checking backpaks inside the school hallways, and that several people had claimed that someone had brought a gun to school. I understand being a young adult, this may not exactly be the case, but he's not a dishonest kid. My concern is more towards, why weren't parents notified??? I think this should be a learning event for school admin and law officers. They need to correct anything that was not done right yesterday and plan for a "real" event...

L. Smith

10:12 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

My child attend LWC and if parents were called, what do you think would have happened? PANIC would have ensued. If there was a shooter in the school, what would parents do other than create chaos by flooding the school with calls and showing up to grab their kids? Leave it to law enforcement to handle it. Irrational parents would have not helped the situation. A follow up phone call or email would have been appropriate, but I do see they put a statement on the website.

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stacey

4:43 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Panic is what happened from NOT knowing what was going on and anger is what is happening from still not hearing anything from them. Like I said before- LWC's "post it" on their website is unacceptable. And if there was a shooter actually IN the school,parents would not be calling the school or going inside- we would have let the police handle that. Its apples and oranges.

Marcy

10:19 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Denise,

Not true, I walked in through the SSO office to go to the PPO office, no one was paying attention. The ladies/students behind the desk can not stop anyone from going into the rest of the shool. Anyone can and will walk right past them, we need to wake up !!!

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Denise

10:25 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

You are right. But it is better than is was before. When my girls went there you could walk right into the school and go anywhere you wanted, at least they have those front doors locked now and make you go through the office. If they are not paying attention enough to stop anyone, then they do need to wake up!!

alski

10:53 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

The reason why the school didn't notify everyone after the fact is it would be kind of senseless to send everyone a recorded phone call saying there was nothing to report.Every time it snows do we get a message saying that it is snowing but school will be open? Stacey...who did they report it to??? Other students faculty?? Name instances. Certainly they were not reported to police. They may have found
emails and computer evidence later after the fact. as far as I know none of the school shooting to date were "announced" to the authorities or the school prior to taking place.Also I haven't read anything that gave a detailed account of how they were going to do it.I must have missed that article.Could someone post a link to it please. Also I am not missing any point. I am not making light of it. However the last thing everyone should do is behave like a "chicken little" running around yelling the sky is falling. Here's what we should do. metal detectors and armed police officers at every entrance to the school. Random locker searches. At the beginning of the year every parent MUST sign a consent form that their child can be searched at any given time ( after notice to the parents of course ) Drug and bomb sniffing dogs on every floor.Snipers posted on the roof 24/7 because somebody could break in after hours and plant explosives. They will have explicit orders to shoot to kill no questions asked. Staff will be supplied with mace and stun guns,.The whole nine yards

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stacey

4:48 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Alski-Read the beginning of the very first paragraph of this website's article- "Lincoln-Way Central High School was on lockdown Tuesday morning after an unknown caller threatened to bring weapons to school and start shooting." I didnt make it up Alski. And snow and guns are two different things. <sigh>

Marcy

11:32 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

alski, The school needs to respond to the parents getting no info. No we dont want panic that is why people need to be notified as to what happened. The situation was taken care of before any of us knew about it. Then nothing but confusion and panic yesterday wondering if your kid was coming home or not. LWHS a simple call to the parents would have been nice, so glad the school board vote and snow cond. are more important. This I take as a warning to wake up, take precaution we can be the next school in the news with a shooting.

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stacey

4:51 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Who's to say this was not a trial run to see how long it took for responders to show up or how the school would handle such a situation.

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Mike White

7:38 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

They have had run trial runs. Complete with SWAT teams. Just because you aren't briefed on something doesn't mean that it didn't happen or doesn't exist. It means it's sensitive information.

If you take this a warning that L-W could be next, factor in the fact that nothing happened and there was a fast response from the police.

Angela Zopf

1:02 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

L Smith, there was PANIC anyway. Like I said, anybody that saw the police infront of the school with their guns drawn would panic if their child was inside. alski, you obviously haven't experienced all of the idiotic messages I have received over the years from the alert system...maybe not EVERY time it snows, but it is def overused!

Angela Zopf

1:05 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Now I am really going to give you my opinion. These parents that are upset, are upset because their children were in possible danger. For all of you supporting the school, I have lost my trust in the schools in New Lenox some years ago, when my daughter who has a seizure disorder fell down a complete set of stairs.

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Mike White

7:33 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Your kids were not in any danger. The staff that you're so upset with was in more danger than your kids.

NLSD122 and LW210 are both different school districts with different management. So they're both in New Lenox. Do you have a problem with Providence too?

Nobody is telling you whether you should panic. If you want to freak out if you see a butterfly, go ahead. Nobody will tell you not to. But people will tell you that it's not a legitimate reason to panic.

Angela Zopf

1:13 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

This particular school did not follow proper "protocol" where an aide was suppose to be getting her from point A to point B. They could not say whether she had a seizure or not, never called an ambulance and even better, never told me she fell down the stairs until 2 days later when I questioned it after my daughter telling me. The response then was, "oh, no it was a scream that cleared our office". so EXCUSE me for not having complete trust in our schools. There are a lot of good teachers/people that go above and beyond to help our children grow. To them I show my appreciation as often as possible. This is obvious the place to voice our opinions, and I can respect everybody...but NOBODY will tell me whether I should or should not panic!

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stacey

4:57 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Oh thats horrible AZ. Scary! It reminds me of when my daughter was 7 years old and was suppose to stay at school for afterschool care while I was at work but they sent her home on the bus because I forgot to remind the school that she was suppose to stay after that day, eventhough it was her normal day to stay after. Eventhough my daughter kept telling them she was stay, they tried calling me but there was no answer so they sent her home on the bus anyway. My neighbor found my daughter sitting on the porch by herself and took her into her home and called me at work. When I called the school the lady said "Oh I thought you didnt answer b/c you were at the corner waiting for her." I have no patience for stupidity.

a mom

1:14 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

The only person to hold responsible for making the decision of an auto phone call to the parents is Wylie. He makes these decisions...The school doesn't do anything unless King Wylie approves...

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Mike White

7:44 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

You SERIOUSLY have a problem with Dr. Wyllie?!

You must not know what L-W is compared to the other school districts.

alski

4:09 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

it's obvious that a few posters have a "bone of contention" with the school based on previous experiences. One of you feel you should have received a call. Another claims the automated system is abused. Bottom line is they have a procedure to follow. Unfortunately it's not tailor made to meet everyone's individual request. I agree with "responder" that a lot of us here are speaking based on the hearsay and rumors that started within minutes of the incident. Some of the scuttlebutt I heard was. They found a gun in a locker. Then I heard it was a student who was expelled. That turned into it was a current student from special ed classes. Then two moms talking while on line at the Jewel could not believe that the police were not present at East??? Her reasoning was what if they called the threat to LWC as a distraction?? And in reality showed up at LWW instead?? Lisa you write that you called the Will County sheriff. Angela called principal Provis. I can't understand what else you want. An apology for it even happening? I agree with everything Lilly has written above. I think the best thing for some of the authors here is to either get on the school board because you obviously can do a better job.Or move to another district, or home school. We've armchair quarterbacked this enough.

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stacey

4:58 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

I did not hear even one of those rumors you speak of.

alski

4:25 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

And the majority of comments posted on The Patch pertaining to stories that involve the NLPD are negative.That goes for the NLFD also.Such as the ones that claim they didn't do enough to save L.A.Cafe?? I've gone back and have begun collecting them. I'm up to three pages so far. The most recent being that cops were to blame for the accident over this past weekend. That they didn't do enough to prevent it. They didn't patrol enough. They didn't enforce enough?? To be honest if every man and woman on our police force up and quit tomorrow to take a job in another town I would not blame them. Thank you New Lenox Police dept. and Fire dept. Thanks Will County Sheriff. This reader thinks you do a great job! I know in my heart of hearts that if "the shiz ever hits the fan" you will all be giving 150%

stacey

5:00 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

No one ever bashed the NLPD on this thread so whatever was said on any other thread is not my concern nor pertains to this matter. We praised the police here for their quick response so you can stop with the brown nosing.

TypeA

5:00 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Any body know what the policy/procedure is when there is a threat of violence to the school? or when the school is on lockdown about how/when to notify the parents and/or community? I do not see it in the student parent handbook

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Mike White

7:28 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

If you read the above comments, you'd have seen that several people reference it.

Much like the US government doesn't disclose protections in place to protect the president, the school is not going to publicize its security procedures.

The students have been briefed. That's all that matters.

As for notification, student safety is the number one priority of Lincoln-Way. Not notification.

Moira

6:15 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

K we have one of the best districts in the country I'm a student at LWE and I'm appreciative of my school

Lisa

7:41 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Dear Jesus this is so ridiculous! How hard would it have been to record a quick message, AFTER THE SITUATION WAS FOUND TO BE UNDER CONTROL, say 2ish to inform parents that there was a situation that happened outside the school building, commend the fast action of the Will County Sheriff, reassure the parents that their children were safe inside the building and tell us that the investigation is ongoing and there is no further information at this time. If you want more information, contact....blah blah blah.

Mike White

7:49 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Isn't it funny how the comments from students are mostly siding with the administration?

Parents- You may want to take note of that. These kids know more about the procedures in place than you do. They trust the administration.

TypeA

8:02 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

@Mike White. There is no written policy/procedure for when an outside threat is made. Please share your direct source if you have it where it is clearly defined. Perhaps if there was a clearly defined policy and procedure there would be less panic, confusion and blame. Schools are public entities and must declare their procedures. The schools are legally responsible for minors safety and must publish those procedures/policies in place to keep those minors safe and to prevent any negligence. The Will County Sherif and NLPD are not legally responsible for school safety and would have different procedures. As several people have mentioned there was no problem with law enforcement... Just with the school's response. Perhaps this will be an eye opener to everyone to show the loopholes in procedures and what best way to handle these situations.

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Mike White

8:16 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

There are procedures. My source is that, when I was a student at L-W, we were told what some of them were.

As a matter of security, the school has no obligation to publish those procedures where the general public can see them, and I would be the first to complain if they even attempted to do so. There are no loopholes to the procedures that are known to potential threats, because the procedures are not known to potential threats. But guess what? Law enforcement and L-W are on the same page. They have the same procedures.

I spent 4 years inside a L-W building. I trust them with my life. I'd spend any amount of time at any L-W in any environment, because I know that I'd be safe.

Reality Bytes!

10:10 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Mike White you sure seem to think you know it all, and sure seem to think that you are the school spokesperson... Who asked you to take that role and where do you get off talking down to anyone else about anything? I am a LW alumni and I have a student there now, in fact I was in the school tonite. I will tell you this, I walked right into the school, walked around most of the area near the fieldhouse all the way to the cafeteria, back to the auditorium entrance, and guess what? The doors were unlocked at most entrances, and no one even asked where I was going. No one paid any attention to me... So, how safe is the school? I even passed the security guard in the hallway, and he is a nice guy, but he never asked what I was doing in the school. I'm not saying he should have freaked and called the cops, I had a reason that I was there. Just saying, don't go spewing off at the mouth unless you're the guy locking the doors and protecting my kid against bad guys...

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Mike White

10:28 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

"Tonight"? Tonight, there were no classes in session. Anyone in that building is there on their own volition. During the day, it's a different story. Students who go outside to get to class can't get through those doors once the passing period ends.

And I'm not talking down to anyone. The fact of the matter is:
1) Staff is in more danger than students.
2) There are procedures that exist for both internal external threats, which the general public does not need to be briefed on.

I also fail to understand why people post comments like yours in such a public setting. You're concerned about your child's safety, yet you're advertising to anyone who clicks this link that most doors are unlocked after hours and people don't care where in the building you go. The reason I don't post the extent of my knowledge on the procedures that exist is because the less that's out there, the better it is.

There is no perfect way to handle situations like this. And believe me, I am one of the most vocal about the problems in the lockdown procedures. But the thing that lets them work is that potential threats are unaware of what they are. It's the same thing that lets L-W keep doors unlocked like that. But for all we know, the threat was legitimate and the person who made it is reading this preparing to strike. All of you who are asking to know the procedures and talking about how easy it is to get into L-W aren't exactly helping matters.

Reality Bytes!

12:36 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

First off, I wasn't asking for details or procedures, I just want to know what makes you think you are qualified to answer every question on here like you are the school's spokeperson? Do you work at the school in the office? You keep spewing about procedures, and from all of your posts, the only knowledge you have of any of it is that of an ex student...

Secondly, I had a legitimate reason to be in the school, but... As I stated above, no one noticed. So I guess what I am saying is, the students are not exactly safe, are they? If I can walk through most of the school after hours, through dark hallways, with students walking around, who can't??? I hope some school official will take notice of that fact, and maybe make some changes. There is one security guard for the entire school, and if I'm not mistaken, he also has the duty to watch the West campus as well...

Thirdly, students are not allowed to travel outside the school during passing periods, so your info there is also wrong...

I would hope that LicolnWay admin will use this as a learning experience. I'm not saying they need metal detectors or armed security at every door, but hiring extra security people is a very inexpensive way to help curb problems. There is certainly a need for it. With as many people coming and going at all hours, the school needs to be secured a little better.

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Nick.

7:47 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

Students can normally walk outside the building to get from class to class during passing periods.. Take for instance going to greenhouse which is OUTSIDE. or walking from english to main gym.. instead of winding your way through the school you can cut outside and get there quicker..

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Mike White

9:22 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

You weren't asking for procedures, but other people were. And yes, that is my expertise. I'm a former student who graduated recently. I don't see how that has any bearing on what I say. It doesn't make it any less true or accurate.

Secondly, L-W can't afford to keep the staff that it hired. It sure as heck can't afford to hire additional security guards. And, yes, you're right anyone can walk around the school without getting questioned. Thank you again for pointing it out to the general public. The fact is: people don't expect to be able to, so they don't go out of their way to try. That's why it works. So, thank you again for pointing out the flaws for the world to see.

Thirdly, as already mentioned, you are incorrect on that. It'd be impossible for some students to get to class on time if they couldn't, and impossible for some to get to class period.

As for your use of the word "also": Where was I wrong? Just because you can't confirm it doesn't mean that it's not true.

Reality Bytes!

9:24 am on Friday, March 9, 2012

Mike, the only expertise you have is at BS! You think just because you are a former student, that gives you the right to act like you know more than everyone else. Well, sorry to break it to you....

If parents are concerned about what is going to happen in case of a "real" emergency, then they have a right to now how it is going to be handled. If it is such a secret, then how do you know anything about it? Because you are a know it all? You have responded to several posts here acting as though you are representing the school in the matter, when in fact, you are just full of it! Being a former student doesn't make you an expert at anything.

If Lincoln Way can't afford to pay for more security, then maybe some of their admin. should take a pay cut. I'm not talking teachers, I'm talking about admin making well over $100K per year. Don't cry about money... Yes, I am pointing out to the general public that the school doors are open, and to the several parents on this site who are concerned for their children. Maybe changes will be made...

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Mike White

1:20 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012

Once again, I ask you: What have I said that is incorrect? The only thing you pointed out to me as being incorrect, you were proven to be incorrect on. So. If you're going to tell me that I'm wrong: where?

If there's an external threat to the school, do you really think it's going to be a complete stranger? There's a reason parents aren't informed of everything. And if you read my responses closer, you'll see that even I admit to not knowing everything in regard to lockdown procedures, but I know a lot more than the general public, as do most students of recent years.

Name the administrators who make that much who deserve a pay cut. I sure can't. I don't know who makes what off the top of my head, but I can assure you that those administrators earn every penny they make.

If you want to send your student to a school where there's additional security and administrators don't make as much money, go ahead. I recommend the inner city. School is school, so it'll be the same level of education, right?

Reality Bytes!

4:26 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012

Well Mike, I'm not gonna waste time arguing with the uninformed.. You have prooved that you are nothing but a know it all who thinks he has the right to tell parents not to worry about their kids. Well, We do have the right to know if our children are in danger and how its going to be handled if ever the case. So once you are a tax paying adult, maybe you will know where that money goes. I know what every person in that school makes, its public knowledge. So, have a nice day, and please continue to respond to EVERY post on here with your know it all horse shit!

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Mike White

4:34 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012

I'm the only one arguing with the uniformed. And I will admit that I laughed when you called me uninformed and then proceeded to use the word "prooved".

And I never said it wasn't public knowledge what those administrators make. I said I didn't know what they made off the top of my head, and asked that you name the administrators who make that much and deserve a pay cut. Yes, it's public knowledge. I never denied that.

And I have not argued at all. I have given you an open invitation: If I'm so uninformed and you're so knowledgeable, what have I said that has been wrong? Keep in mind that the one thing you actually called me out on specifically has been shown to, in fact, be accurate.

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Mitch Grenier

12:43 am on Saturday, March 10, 2012

Because, as an adult, swearing and insulting an LWW grad in front of your peers is obviously the logical thing to do.

Reality Bytes!

8:30 pm on Saturday, March 10, 2012

So what you are saying Mitch, is that Mike White went to West??? Wow, that "proves" (<for the spelling professor) that he is full of shit. If you don't like swearing, stay off the adult forum Mitch. Its sad that you had to come to the rescue of your buddy and make both of you look stupid... Mike, West??? So what do you know about Central?? I should have known... Know it all...

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Mike White

8:38 pm on Saturday, March 10, 2012

I was waiting for that. So predictable.

I graduated from West. Since you know so much, you should know what year West opened. Oh, you don't?! West opened in '09. Hm. Now what does that mean? It means that the first class to spend 4 years at West graduates in 2013.

From where I stand, you've proven that you don't know anywhere near as much as you seem to think you do. First it's that Central students don't go outside during passing periods. Then it's that a West graduate doesn't know anything about Central. And, of course, all the other stuff I said that you're yet to specifically state.

Oh and since you're so brilliant, even if I did attend West for 4 years, which I didn't, we're discussing a procedure that's in place for all 4 schools in the district.

So yeah. Someone looks stupid here, but it isn't me.

Reality Bytes!

10:06 pm on Saturday, March 10, 2012

Make no mistake, you still look stupid...

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Mike White

10:48 pm on Saturday, March 10, 2012

In your eyes, maybe. But where does your expertise come from? You told me mine was BS, what do you have that's any better?

My offer to you stands: Point out specifically what I have said that's incorrect if I'm so stupid and wrong and uninformed.

So far, I have shown you to be wrong on two points: I attended Central (despite your allegations that I didn't) and Central students go outside during passing periods. You are yet to show me anything incorrect that I've said.

Reality Bytes!

12:12 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012

You spent one year at Central seeing as you graduated in 2011, which means your freshman year. I am sure you were privy to all that info being a freshman. My guess is that you were a hall monitor given your string bean appearance. I am not claiming I know any more than any other parent, but neither do you. Just because you ran around kissing up to the office personel does not make you an expert. You claimed your expertise was in the safety of our children... How? Because you spew out BS about nothing... Get a life, and maybe you should concentrate on whats going on at Truman U instead of New Lenox, where you thought you were the king nerd...

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Mike White

1:32 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012

1) Work on your math skills.
2) It's still irrelevant.
3) I'll let the rest of your peers judge you for resulting to insulting my appearance after looking me up on Facebook while hiding behind a fake name.

I never claimed my expertise was in the safety of children. I said that I know stuff about L-W lockdown procedures. You admit to not knowing anything about them, yet you still have the audacity to tell me that I don't either.

My question still stands AND THAT GOES FOR EVERYONE READING THIS: What have I said that's incorrect?

And, no you don't know more than any other parent. You know less. The others are smart enough to realize that I do, in fact, know more than they do, as do their kids. The evidence is in the only comments here being between us, with two others (one of whom I don't even know) supporting my statements. Nobody's backing you up because they realize that you're an idiot. And, yes, you sir are an idiot.

You should have researched me beyond Facebook. You would have realized just who you were dealing with. You also should have sent a Facebook friend request. You could have read the posts on my wall where people are telling me just how stupid you are (like I can't see that myself).

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Mitch Grenier

1:41 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012

I thought natural selection would have weeded this type of person out by now.

Lisa

3:03 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012

Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. I back up the parents in this situation. Mike White is a youngin who has the whole world ahead of him and needs a cause to argue. Maybe one day as he's growing up he will find a worthy cause worth fighting for and actually make a difference in this world. In the meantime, keep working on those debate skills Mike, because you do, in fact, sound like an idiot. If we stop, he'll stop, which is what I have been hoping for and yet still get updates on the arguing back and forth over a situation where the school could have easily sent out a quick call blast, pacified the majority, and probably calmed panic and fears, and this could all be done. Mike White, feel free to get in the last word, and I would hope that maybe the rest of us could just let him have that and move on. Take up the cause with the school board, the principal of the school your child is attending, or anywhere else besides arguing with him.

Reality Bytes!

6:31 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012

Mike White

9:22 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

You weren't asking for procedures, but other people were. And yes, that is my expertise. I'm a former student who graduated recently. I don't see how that has any bearing on what I say. It doesn't make it any less true or accurate.

Need I say more? Thank you Lisa. This guy has responded to every post from every parent that was concerned about their children with his "expert" knowledge of school safety. He is a know it all... This is going to be my last post as there is no basis to any of his comments.

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Mike White

6:55 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012

Yes. You said "Mike, the only expertise you have is at BS! You think just because you are a former student, that gives you the right to act like you know more than everyone else." So, yes, being a former student is my expertise.

And once again, if there's no basis for any of my comments and I'm just an idiot looking to argue, WHAT HAVE I SAID THAT'S WRONG? If you everything you've said is true, that question should be easy to answer.

And, yes, I agree with Lisa. Call the school. Call the school district. They won't tell you anything I haven't, and in fact, I've probably told you more than they will. But then maybe you'll realize just who the uninformed person is. (Here's a hint: it's not me.) So yes, take Lisa's advice. Please.

Also I'm going to assume a majority of pro streeter's posts contain hyperbole, or I'll be here all day correcting them.

SMR

6:57 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012

When I called the school during the lockdown I was told " no nothing is going on. There is no lockdown". I tend to think if this story didn't break, none of us would have known. Good ol' LW and sweeping things under the carpet.

NL resident

7:06 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012

What I find sad is no matter who is right, as an adult Mr. Pro Streeter, why on earth would you be using bullying tactics in order to argue your points. Calling a young man a "string bean" and a "nerd" is just plain mean and has simply does not strike to any valid argument whatsoever. I think the point that has been very much forgotten is that once the police became involved it really was not up to the school to make any decisions. It became a police matter and they were the ones who restricted parental notification. I agree that once the incident was resolved, an automated phone call (which is a different system from what the grade schools use) should have been sent out along with the website posting. Calling parents during the incident may likely have (as someone also pointed out earlier) created more panic as some parents may have tried to rush to the school to get their kids into the safety of their possession. While that is completely understandable, it is not the safest for the police and school personnel who were trying to keep the kids and staff safe while they looked into the call. I have a child at Central as well and my child reported nothing but calm students and teachers. The irony is that the panic came from the outside, from all the parents who demanded answers instead of trusting the authorities (police) to keep their kids safe.
Disagreeing is fine...free country...but at least argue respectfully and with an open mind or you just sound ridiculous.

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Mike White

7:27 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012

Thank you, Carol.

I agree with you with most of your points, though the main one that I've been arguing here is that the school was, despite most parents' claims, proactive as well in keeping the students safe.

Yes, the authorities have their role in an incident like this, but what people bashing the school don't realize is that administrators also have their roles to play, and in this case, they played them very well and deserve more credit than they've been getting, which is why I stepped up to argue for them.

Perhaps I got slightly hot-headed during points in this argument, but I still maintain that I've spoken only true statements, and despite being a former student, that doesn't mean that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Bob

9:04 pm on Sunday, March 11, 2012

Streeter -- You have a problem.  Calm down.  You can't hold a discussion without name calling?  My ten year old is better than that!  You're best argument with a kid is to call him names and say he is stupid because he doesn't agree with you?  You claim to be an adult???  I dont know if the school is right or wrong but the kid sounds far more grown up than you.  The world has people who see things differently than you.  Get over it.  Grow up

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taxpayer

10:16 am on Monday, March 12, 2012

Thank you Bob for saying what I was thinking. This "pro streeter" is the classic sign of a bully. I would suspect he is/was the kind of kid us parents wouldn't want our children to around with.

Bob

8:36 am on Monday, March 12, 2012

An unknown caller threatened to bring guns to school and start shooting.  What sort of profile might the police be interested in?  What sort of GUTLESS, insignificant little nutjob would hide behind an anonymous phone call to threaten a bunch of kids?  It would probably be a student, an alum or a parent -- someone with a connection to the school.  There might have been someone at the school who said something he didn't like or who didn't agree with his views.  It would have to be someone who responds to minor things irrationally I would imagine.  He gets angry very quickly and quite easily.  He is undoubtedly a bully.  Certainly a coward.  He clearly has a need to threaten people.  To let them know that HE knows where they live.  It seems to me that's the sort of profile the police need to look at.  Then subpoena the person's phone records from the phone company.  You know . . . to see if he placed a call to the school on the date and time in question.  Oh yeah, my guess is that the person the police are looking for has been following these comments on Patch.  Perhaps even commented himself . . .

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Michael Sewall

10:20 am on Monday, March 12, 2012

Everyone, thanks for your comments. I'm closing comments on this article now because it's really come down to name-calling and has strayed way too far from a real discussion about what happened. Thanks for reading.

-Michael Sewall, New Lenox Patch editor

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